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Ozzfan486  
19 Nov 2008 16:45 | Quote
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Recently. My Aunt has been on a social attitude most label suicidal. She has been unhappy most of her life for that matter. Now, one of my other relatives that she has been "Fueding" with had sent her a letter. It was to clear the air sort of. But being that she listed some of the most hurtful things my aunt has done to her and the family, my aut being a little over the edge basically lost all hope..
She has disconnected herself from the whole family and worst of all her boyfriend, who has basically kept her alive this and las year. I just don't know how to help anymore. I wrote her a poem when she was in the hospital for attempted overdose and it seriously helped her. She even sent it to one of those poem things in a magazine or paper or whatever. I want to help, but with this kind of disconnection and extremity I don't know how I even can..
EMB5490  
19 Nov 2008 17:02 | Quote
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does your family know she's suicidal, you can get her put in a hospital saying she is mentally unbalenced and is suicidal. tht would buy you sometime, is she on antidepressants? im not one for meds but those could seriously help, also look for alternative meds, ones tht wont kill you like normal meds, theres a "Happy" pill, not on the market but it relieves your body, allows seratonin and melatonin to combine in the brain, bring her to an alternative head doctor, those help. buy her L-Tryptophin, really calms you down.

sorry for the bad news.
JazzMaverick  
19 Nov 2008 17:42 | Quote
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Hey, would you be up for making a song for her? If you could record it or something. If not, keep writing some poems, weekly if you can. Keep her going. I have a very close friend going through the same situation. It's very difficult seeing someone go through such things and feeling like you can't help.

Take her out of the house if you can, get her to see things, a little away from what she's used to and do some exciting stuff she likes. Perhaps even play scrabble or a few games of cards at her house a few days a week. I think it needs to be regular visits to keep her mood up.

Tell her you're here for her, and how much you love her and that she's important to you.

Yeah, anti-depressants can really help, see if she can try them, but make sure she doesn't take too much. my aunt takes them and her personality changes a little.
BodomBeachTerror  
19 Nov 2008 17:47 | Quote
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pray... drugs dont work, half the time they make it worse
JazzMaverick  
19 Nov 2008 17:53 | Quote
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Geez man you're encouraging. Drugs do help, all it really depends on is if the person taking them is willing to accept and understand during the time they're on it.
BodomBeachTerror  
19 Nov 2008 17:59 | Quote
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well when a friend of mine got off antidepressants she was far less depressed than she was while she was taking them. but then another one of my friends said they worked. so i guess it depends.. sorry for being so hasty in saying drugs wont work
brodyxhollow  
19 Nov 2008 18:03 | Quote
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Speaking personally, I've dealt with suicide way too many times in my life. Depression runs in my family to put it lightly. I've had these feelings myself and understand what it's like to be in the shoes of someone contemplating suicide.

The most important thing is to SEEK HELP. Get her some professional help and fast, it may be beyond your control. The suicide hotline is a life saving thing. Don't be afraid to call them, they can help you deal with a suicidal relative, not just if you feel the feelings yourself. Everything critical must be done before it's too late. There's no turning back what's been done.
Crunch  
19 Nov 2008 18:36 | Quote
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BodomBeachTerror says:
pray... drugs dont work, half the time they make it worse


Don't pray. You're just taking a longer trip to a destination you can get to in other ways. People pray to find comfort, they believe some super-being is helping them. It's best to find confidence within yourself and those around you; YOU are the ones who have to overcome the disease/other problem, not an omnipotent entity.
soy.el.che  
19 Nov 2008 18:53 | Quote
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become close to her, show her stuff shes never seen.. try to meke her feel that you need her, maybe make her feel compromised to you; tlak to her daily, or as often u can. try to comprehend her but dont give her the feeling thats the corrrect way to end her problems
thats what i think it would be better to do
i send you good vibes
BodomBeachTerror  
19 Nov 2008 18:59 | Quote
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Crunch says:
Don't pray. You're just taking a longer trip to a destination you can get to in other ways. People pray to find comfort, they believe some super-being is helping them. It's best to find confidence within yourself and those around you; YOU are the ones who have to overcome the disease/other problem, not an omnipotent entity.


thats just your opinion
soy.el.che  
19 Nov 2008 19:00 | Quote
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i agree w bodom
brodyxhollow  
19 Nov 2008 19:01 | Quote
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http://www.save.org/
http://www.suicidepreventionlifeline.org/
http://www.afsp.org/
Crunch  
19 Nov 2008 19:27 | Quote
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BodomBeachTerror says:
thats just your opinion


Indeed, it is. However, it produces tangible results, which I tend to use as measurements for success/failure. You know, that kind of thing.
TheAmericanBrit  
19 Nov 2008 19:45 | Quote
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Give her my words: Down the road to the morgue, across the street to the hospital.
BodomBeachTerror  
19 Nov 2008 19:47 | Quote
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personal experience, prayer works in many ways.. but w/e
TheAmericanBrit  
19 Nov 2008 19:48 | Quote
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BBT would be right on this one.

PRAISEDALLUYAH!
crislyn23_nt  
19 Nov 2008 19:55 | Quote
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sorry to hear that dude,

ive through it once and music was always awesome!!! when i feel down, i get a sad a song or angry ones that are fast and i sing with it realleases my feelings which actually makes me feel high in a way and hyper but awesome and makes me forget my problems and then graduaalyy change the song into a little happeir and so on! hehe, ones reason i got into guitar,

may i suggest "Welcome to the Black Parade" by My Chemical Romance, really good lyrics and a cathcy tune, hehehe

hope this helps,
Crunch  
19 Nov 2008 20:01 | Quote
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I don't wish for a further argument, and will say only this on faith: How do you know your prayers have been "answered?" You don't. There is no possible way. I do not attempt to refute the existence of a supreme being, but I think it is quite obvious that this being, if it exists, is not interested in our daily lives. How many trillions upon trillions of prayers have gone unanswered in the whole of human history?

It's best to rely upon oneself as well as the tangible beings and things around oneself. Real things come from them.
CTown  
19 Nov 2008 20:15 | Quote
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I've been there in near helpless feelings with friends...suicide, anorexia, etc. I'll pray for you and your aunt.

Being said, I agree with Crunch. It's a humanistic approach. Praying may help, but you should take the initiative and seek professional help (and just be there for her...poems or not).
brodyxhollow  
19 Nov 2008 20:18 | Quote
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This is not an argument about religion. This is an argument about someone's life. It doesn't matter what helps them, as long as they get help!
crislyn23_nt  
19 Nov 2008 20:19 | Quote
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prayers arent just something we do to get something we want man, its doing something that gives us that little spec of hope that things are going to get better!!! and by doing so, that hope is that strength or little push we need to get by and have a chance for another day to smile,
Ozzfan486  
19 Nov 2008 20:30 | Quote
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We've known all this year. She just at home with her boyfriend and apparently he talked to her and calmed her down. We went to Wal-Mart and she tried to call my mom but shes sleeping now. My mom said she'd call her tomorow. Hopefully this blows over.
Ozzfan486  
19 Nov 2008 20:37 | Quote
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@ Jazz - Earlier I was so upset I couldn't even focus enough to try and make something. I will soon though. I'm feeling better now that I have an update.

And everyone, please no religious fights. Its all opinion. I believe in having a faith. I also firmly believe that no matter what that faith is you should not push it onto anyone under any circumstance or tell someone else their's is incorrect. Nobody knows.
crislyn23_nt  
19 Nov 2008 20:43 | Quote
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hahaha, nobody knows

yea thats true
soy.el.che  
19 Nov 2008 20:51 | Quote
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nobody knows, thats why u cant say your faith is the correct one, even if u are athiest.. best u can do is hope yours is the one.
you may pray for winning the lotto but if you dont get the ticket, i dont think u have a chance
Ozzfan486  
19 Nov 2008 20:55 | Quote
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Exactly.
TheAmericanBrit  
19 Nov 2008 21:09 | Quote
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Crunch says:
How many trillions upon trillions of prayers have gone unanswered in the whole of human history?


How many people have prayed for the wrong thing?

You know, sometimes, we try to hold onto the things that God himself is trying to take away.

My great Aunt got sick and died about 7 or so years ago. She was a real saint. Never did anyone harm, always had kind things to say, etc. Did God heal her? Yes - She's with him right now. I don't know about you, but that's the best healing one could ever get.
TheAmericanBrit  
19 Nov 2008 21:10 | Quote
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And yes, you should seek medical help.
Littlewing  
19 Nov 2008 21:25 | Quote
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Get her help and fast. Suicide isn't reversable. Once something happens, it happens.
EMB5490  
19 Nov 2008 21:43 | Quote
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i dont want to get into this but praying, unless your totally religious wont help you. if your religious like very religious it MAY acctuly help you. what praying does to someone who believes in it enough will relax you and your body. your body may acctually realease something called an "endorphine" see the word "morphine" in there? ye well endorphins are natural. ever heard of a "runners high?" yeah, thats endorphines being realeased into the brain. And its not like gallons of it, its a drop. its THE MOST powerful drug. AND it has no side effects, its natural, why havent we made it? we cant, morphine is the closest weve come. well some others too. but odviously praying wont help b/c she tryed to kill herself, unless im mistaken suicide is a sin, and shes odviously not religious or she wouldnt have overdosed. hoever, L-Trytophin may help. im serious, a natural drug that calms you, relaxes you, and acctually increases the endorphine receptors in your brain. no side effects. can make you tired at night, wont make you fall asleep, its not hugly effective like the first one you will be releaved but overtime, you will see a difference,

also you know the "white light" that people that have been ressesatated claim to see... yeah thats a mix of chemicals the brain is releasing before death. endorphine is in ther and is the cause of it. not bad a for a dumb teen like me.

-war damn eagle.
soy.el.che  
19 Nov 2008 21:47 | Quote
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i still prefer playin though im not that of a religious guy
crislyn23_nt  
19 Nov 2008 21:49 | Quote
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@emb

that what u think, Ha Ha
EMB5490  
19 Nov 2008 21:51 | Quote
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o btw, stress and drugs are the 2 worst things for your body, relaxing is the best. people die of heart attacks stroks, cancer, brain diseases, almost every disease can be linked to stress, drugs, or both.

no its a fact, research it.
TheAmericanBrit  
19 Nov 2008 23:36 | Quote
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EMB5490 says:
but praying, unless your totally religious wont help you. if your religious like very religious it MAY acctuly help you.


Uhh, no. God does not judge by how "religious" someone is. If you have faith, and call upon his name, you can bet he'll be in your midst.


EMB5490 says:
but odviously praying wont help b/c she tryed to kill herself, unless im mistaken suicide is a sin, and shes odviously not religious or she wouldnt have overdosed.


The way I hear it, she's still alive, so it's not like she can't repent. Why do you think he came here and took that cross? He did it for us. All of us. He came and bore our sins so we wouldn't have too. He became the perfect sacrifice.

Also, you would be surprised by what "religious" folks go through. Believe me when I say that it's not always dandy and swell. The most righteous people in the world are tempted just as you and I are - Many times we fall. But, that's the beauty of it all: Though we are as bad (no, we are not the little angels we like to think we are) as we are, he sees past that. His love is agape love.

I wish I could always see things through his eyes.
BodomBeachTerror  
19 Nov 2008 23:40 | Quote
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^agreed^
TheAmericanBrit  
19 Nov 2008 23:42 | Quote
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CTown  
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Ozzfan486 says:
I also firmly believe that no matter what that faith is you should not push it onto anyone under any circumstance or tell someone else theirs is incorrect. Nobody knows.


Well said Oz. This isn't about faith/religion/belief/etc... This is about a person struggling. I didn't mean to propagate a debate.

Oz, someone suggested calling a help line, and I think it's a good idea. The people there are better equipped to help than we are. Take care.
EMB5490  
20 Nov 2008 06:48 | Quote
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faith can help brings comfort and relaxing to the person, but comon, any proof gad exists?
JoeDalton  
20 Nov 2008 07:01 | Quote
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EMB5490 says:
but comon, any proof gad exists

... Is that not the point to faith?
sixtiesguy  
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BBT & Soy.el.che Have the situation sussed.

I've been taking care of my wife for 18 years now. She suffers from a variety of mental health issues including clinical depression leading to suicidal thoughts. Every time the mental health 'experts' got their hands on her they made her worse rather than better, and drugs are only effective for a short period AND their side effects are horrendous!
The only way through is for someone who really cares to be there for her giving her encouragement and reassurance and assuring her that she's not the monster.The monster is more likely to be the one who gave her her list of 'faults' in the first place.

@ Ozzfan. To put a subject like this on a guitar site you must really care about her. If you really want to help her and need advice, feel free to PM me any time!
Steve
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