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EMB5490  
3 Apr 2008 21:06 | Quote
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i dont understand why people like the rap music? i belive its cause of the beat the mc/dj gives, but idk. why do ppl like rap, and do u? also, do u think rock will ever get as popular again as it was in 68-85 or around ther? or will it just fade away like jazz, and others, and eventually bearly anyone will like it. not saying tht bout jazz, jazz is very good music, and is still popular just not as much.
Notim  
4 Apr 2008 00:03 | Quote
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We had this before,I cant stand rap what so ever of any kind but I guess thats my closed mind......LMAO
Skold  
4 Apr 2008 00:37 | Quote
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I used to like rap. Rappers like Soldier Boy (can you have him a rapper) have ruined it all for me.
les_paul  
4 Apr 2008 01:30 | Quote
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Rap sucks!
league  
4 Apr 2008 01:43 | Quote
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Hip hop has no musical significance. Neither does rap. Rap does have some poetic elements to it: it rhymes. LOL
Guitarslinger124  
4 Apr 2008 01:51 | Quote
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everyone expresses themselves different...i bet in some rap forum somewhere there are people saying that metal and rock 'n' roll suck. so...to each 'is own.
league  
4 Apr 2008 01:54 | Quote
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I can't imagine why anyone would hate Rock n Roll.LOL
Guitarslinger124  
4 Apr 2008 02:11 | Quote
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its all relative and everyone has there own perspective. im sure some people just dont dig it. remember, you're walking a really fine line between hypocrisy and close mindedness. you just have to accept that people have different interests and various methods of expression; you cant judge someone or something on those basis.
league  
4 Apr 2008 02:25 | Quote
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I see the Hypocrisy . It's pretty clear but Close Mindedness? I guess I'll have to join Notim on that side of the debate.
les_paul  
4 Apr 2008 02:37 | Quote
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I didn't say people who like rap suck... I said "Rap sucks" in my own opinion.
deefa  
4 Apr 2008 05:30 | Quote
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I personally don't like rap, but I can see why it exists. The lyrics are quite complicated and hard to remember if it's not put into some kind of 'groove'. I believe this is how the old Vikings and Anglo-Saxons used to remember saga's like Beowulf etc. I suppose really it's just like history repeating itself. The old sagas where tales of victory over oppression, and many rap songs seem to be in the same vain but in a modern setting.
As for Rock and Metal, as long as people like to scream and shout and have a good time, there will always be a place for it!
EMB5490  
4 Apr 2008 05:56 | Quote
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deefa says:
[I personally don't like rap, but I can see why it exists. The lyrics are quite complicated and hard to remember if it's not put into some kind of 'groove'./quote]

well i wouldnt say ther complicated, i mean how complicated can singing about surronded by hoes, or smacking them on the floor get?
deefa  
4 Apr 2008 07:24 | Quote
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Well, they obviously know more positions than me!
Guitarslinger124  
4 Apr 2008 12:11 | Quote
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Lmao! wow deefa...that was funny!
Doz  
4 Apr 2008 13:31 | Quote
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I'm with Guitarslinger here. It's just a different type of creativity. I am *not* into modern gangster rap that hasn't change since NWA first came about. I do however like a bit of old school hip hop... which *isn't* all about hoes and guns and glorifying the gangster lifestyle.

And I do think it has some significance. It was a big movement that spawned new studio techniques and some MCs have pretty witty lyrics.
EMB5490  
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lmao deffa, true, early rap, like some rock, commented on society, i dont like rap, but i could understand why ppl would like tht kind. it has meaning, now is garbage
Notim  
4 Apr 2008 15:19 | Quote
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woo hoo I have a friend on the mindless side .....GS you know I'm just jokin...lol but it is nice to meet my kind .....LMAO....woohoo
GRX40  
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EMB5490 says:
ell i wouldnt say ther complicated, i mean how complicated can singing about surronded by hoes, or smacking them on the floor get?

If you listen to rap like Public Enemy, Saul Williams or KRS-One, it is more than "pimps and hos". It is political, like protest music from the 1960s and 70s. It isn't the most popular, but it is not completely obscure. EDIT: Also, these artists are current. Public Enemy started in the 80s and 90s, but they released an album in 2006.
Tilikidis  
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i think a better question would be why rap is so popular, why do so many teenagers choose IT over rock n roll? could it be that rock n roll is shit these days? or have ppl just changed....?
EMB5490  
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Tilikidis says:
i think a better question would be why rap is so popular, why do so many teenagers choose IT over rock n roll? could it be that rock n roll is shit these days? or have ppl just changed....?


i think most rock n roll is shit, the new stuff, like nickleback if u could even classify it as rock.some is good, most is digraceful
lance  
4 Apr 2008 19:57 | Quote
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i definately agree with EMB's last post and truly believe it explains
why the movement is so big. i can't stand listening to it for the most
part. it's bar none the most unintelligent music to date. r&b i can
atleast understand it's creativity and soulfullness but still don't
listen to it.

chris rock w/o question said it best "i'm keeping it real" yeah real dumb.......
ThePusher  
4 Apr 2008 21:20 | Quote
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There's one guy that I can stand that most people consider R&B and taht's Wyclef Jean strictly for his superb song writing
mattmurray  
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I think every genre of music can be honest, meaningful, and legitimately musical under certain circumstances. Unfortunately for rap, it's circumstances are entirely based on record sales, and what causes record sales. My guess is that we've never even heard of the truly talented rappers, because they don't rap about what sells. If extreme metal started selling massive amounts of records I'm sure it would lose it's credibility, and the famous extreme-metal musicians would be getting respect where it wasn't due because they, too, would be designing their music to sell rather than just making good music.
Cata34  
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I would have to agree with Matt here. Current rap all seems to be based on making lots of cash, and I guess if rapping about sex, drugs, and the sort sells... then thats what they will rap about. I must say though there is some Russian rap I like...
league  
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Good point Cata34.
KicknGuitar  
5 Apr 2008 00:15 | Quote
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mattmurray says:
for rap, it's circumstances are entirely based on record sales

That's a little out there, for if you want to generalize it, we can say the exact same thing about rock, blues jazz, etc.

TO a point I agree,except I wouldn't say all. There is a great about of "popular" rap out there that is aim for sales. It comes to imitations to reproduce a new mainstream fad. But like I said, not all mainstream rappers are such.

Del Tha Funkee Homosapien (also Deltron, for the turntables) He collaborated with the Gorillaz for their self-titled album.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UlAqjUu_TA
Immortal Technique, usually political. Here's something more universal w/o the politics, (His metaphors are insane)
(somewhat explicit)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pqiqrnZE44
ah found the good one. If you're mature you should be able to handle this one, really strong. This is his response to Hip-Hop.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIjVCp_nITY&feature=related
For old school, Afrika Bambaataa had some interesting messages.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thsy5_Y2tZ8

To dislike certain music is one thing. To dislike it without an attempt to understand, and enjoy it is another, and this is what I find many people falling into because it's the easy way out.

One thing I enjoy with rap is the great power over just the words. Spoken word with some music? Why not...
If you listen to Screaming Headless Torsos, the vocalist (Dean) incorporates "spoken word" into their work. because its in music, it's called rap?

Rage Against the Machine is a prime example of the power of "spoken word" and music and how it helped fuze rap and rock for the masses (which usually know of the mainstream artists).

There is also the history of, and undoubtedly the ethnic background of rap that plays a role in its form.

Anyway, The more I listen to music and read poetry the more I enjoy classical, Jazz, cuban, salsa, fusion, rock, rap, electronic, reggae etc.

Our musical taste is definitely influenced by our environment, but it is us as human beings, that we adapt and take in and grow. I believe to be open minded allows you to grow, and stay with the rest of the human race. To shut yourself off from what you "dislike" may be refusing the the revelation that the world is round.
Cata34  
5 Apr 2008 00:56 | Quote
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Well put Kickn. And in my earlier post I was kind of pointing towards the more mainstream rap of course.
mattmurray  
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I agree with you kickn, I meant rap as we know it in popular culture, all the big names that are all over MTV. Those rappers you mentioned are all deserving of respect, I'm sure you understand the type of rap I'm talking about.
telecrater  
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If you look back on history the same stuff would be said about the rise of Elvis, the sounds of Black Sabbath, the subject matter of Judist Priest and Ozzy, and the overtaking music by Nirvana and the Seattle scene.

It is no suprise that Rock people really don't get into rap. I think the first reason is that Rap is not centered around guitars, (we rocker like that).

I remember seeing an interveiw with Dr. Dre or Snoop Dog, and they were asked about making a new recored etc. They said that hip hop was a young mans game.

I think these were very wise words and it applies to rock too. when your doing the same thing over and over it becomes stale. you have to learn to move over for new artists, new music, new genre. Granted you don't have to like it.
Notim  
5 Apr 2008 14:06 | Quote
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after all that, I still think rap sucks.
telecrater  
5 Apr 2008 14:52 | Quote
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And I thank thats O.K.

(personally me too)
les_paul  
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I agree with Notim. I don't Know why and I can't give any one reason I just don't like it.
deefa  
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The more I think of it, the more I get the feeling that the decline of rock/metal has a lot to do with being seen as 'establishment'. Everything seems to have its place and its time, and that always seems to be when an up and coming new generation wants to stamp its authority on the world and say "hey look! we've found something new here that's all ours!" You know, something to p*ss the 'old folks' off. Maybe this is why 'rap-crap' has developed.Because rock was such a hard act to follow, crap seemed to be all that was left to throw at the 'establishment'
blackholesun  
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I think one of the biggest reasons why we (as in the general consensus of us) dislike rap is because we simply can't connect with it. We're all guitarists, and we listen to primarily rock and metal etc because guitar has a huge part to play in it. We can't connect with rap in the same way because very little rap features guitar. Simple as that really.

A lot of rap music and hip hop may just be the commercial crap you see on MTV, but that is just the surface. Beneath the surface there lies another world of hip hop music that we don't know about.

For comparison, ask a casual music listener to name some rock bands and they'll probably say bands like Nickelback and the Chili Peppers, only from what they've heard on the radio in the past few days. It seems to be that the only songs Nickelback release as singles are light, acoustic based songs (Photograph, Rockstar, etc), and therefore the casual listener who heard Rockstar on the radio would be completely unaware of their much rockier, heavier tracks, and the listener would probably be disgusted by them! RHCP's current radio friendly songs are a whole universe away from the party-hard, funk-punk hybrid of what RHCP were releasing back in the 80s, and again, the casual listener would almost certainly turn their nose up to it.

The opposite goes for us, we are respectable musicians and music fans, and we like our music with more musical and lyrical depth than most of the stuff that is on MTV
EMB5490  
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as a guitar player and a devotee to rock music, nickleback is more pop music. there should be some kinda definition of rock. and i would have to agree with blackholesun.
telecrater  
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I agree with Blackholesun. I also think you at some sense must be open to hip hop/rap in order to find the stuff thats buried down and not mainstream. Most "rockers" are not willing to do this, which is fine.

I like Fish, grilled, or fried i love to eat fish. My wife hates fish. Does that mean all fish is crap?

My point is just becuase you don't like something does not mean its crap.

league  
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True what you said but I think we can all agree we like Rock, Jazz, Blues, Classical etc. because it has much more musical significance than rap or hip hop. Give me a rap or hip-hop artist that has respectable music that THE ARTIST wrote and maybe youll change my view. Lyrics are another story. Shakespeare was a lyricist.
Tilikidis  
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man somehting i hate more than rap music itself is people that just listen to the radio and watch much music. the kinna ppl that dont know what music is the ones that just fucking do what i said above. the worst is when they talk down to true music no matter what genre and say that all the shit on much music and the radio are the best and the greatest. i personally despise that. oh and i totally agree with blacholesun
les_paul  
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les_paul says:
I don't Know why and I can't give any one reason I just don't like it.


I agree with blackholesun, I didn't really think about it when I said this ^^^ but I think what blackholesun pointed out has alot to do with why I don't like Rap.
Skold  
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@telecrater

True, but when the "artists" you're moving over for absolutely suck, why even bother?
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