I'm Just Not Understanding This

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 Jkshoe 24 Jan 2013 07:14 | Quote Joined: 15 Mar 2012United States Licks: 1Karma: 1 1,2,b3,4,5,b6,b7 What is this? What does it mean?!
 btimm 24 Jan 2013 09:27 | Quote Joined: 14 Dec 2009United States Lessons: 2Licks: 1Karma: 16 Seems like the natural minor scale. So C minor would be: 1 2 b3 4 5 b6 b7 C D Eb F G Ab Bb Which is also the relative minor to Eb major: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Eb F G Ab Bb C D Some please correct me if I am wrong.
 Jkshoe 24 Jan 2013 10:58 | Quote Joined: 15 Mar 2012United States Licks: 1Karma: 1 What do the numbers represent?
 Guitarslinger124 24 Jan 2013 11:05 | Quote Joined: 25 Jul 2007United States Lessons: 12Licks: 42Karma: 38 Moderator You were close btimm. Jkshoe says:1,2,b3,4,5,b6,b7 This is referencing the Melodic minor scale descending of course. When you just see numbers with # and/or b symbols next to them, you are looking at a reference to the intervals which make up a type of scale, but not a particular key or note. For example: ``` 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 = A Major Scale or Ionian mode. Nothing about those numbers tell you what key this is scale is in or what notes to play. The numbers are simply referring the the intervals and degrees. The sequence of numbers is sort of like a code, or better yet, a tele- phone number. When you "call" or play a certain sequence, you will get a certain sound. Just like when you call a certain telephone number you will reach a certain person. The scale you have is the Melodic Minor Scale. Take C major - C D E F G A B Numerical Values - 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 C Melodic Minor - C D D# F G G# A# Numerical Values - 1 2 b3 4 5 b6 b7 This is because (assuming you know that "b" means flat) to get the D# you flat the E or 3rd of C major. To get the G# and A#, you flat the 6th and 7th respectively. ``` Hope that helps.
 Jkshoe 24 Jan 2013 11:26 | Quote Joined: 15 Mar 2012United States Licks: 1Karma: 1 So... if I took D Major instead, D, E, F♯, G, A, B, C♯ The Melodic Minor would be, D, E, F, G, A, A#, C Yes? So the 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 is a reference to the Major/Ionian? And when playing in a different mode of the same key the # and b tells you which notes?
 Guitarslinger124 24 Jan 2013 11:41 | Quote Joined: 25 Jul 2007United States Lessons: 12Licks: 42Karma: 38 Moderator Sounds like you're on the right track. Just don't get intervals and degrees confused and you'll be alright.
 carlsnow 24 Jan 2013 11:44 | Quote Joined: 29 Apr 2009United States Lessons: 2Karma: 23 Guitarslinger124 says:You were close btimm. Jkshoe says: 1,2,b3,4,5,b6,b7 This is referencing the Melodic minor scale descending of course. @Guitarslinger124 This may have been a Typo, or something else accidental... BUT... Unless someone dosed my coffee with LSD this morning, lol, what i read is a simple - plain old Minor Scale NOT Harm-Min which = a different 'Mode' originating from a different "parent scale"altogether, and uses a Maj-7th(7) rather than the Flat-7(b7) in question here. So instead what you have = Ye Olde Simple "natural"-Minor ('Aeolian'... for theory buffs) AKA the 6th degree of the Maj Scale (Maj = 1 2 3 4 5 6 7)---(Min = 1 2 b3 4 5 b6 b7) in normal practice , a 7-tone scale with Flatted 3 6 & 7 = Natural-Minor, Aeolian-'mode', or plain Ole 'Minor' RAWK! Cs
 Jkshoe 24 Jan 2013 11:47 | Quote Joined: 15 Mar 2012United States Licks: 1Karma: 1 I have no idea what intervals and degrees are.
 btimm 24 Jan 2013 14:15 | Quote Joined: 14 Dec 2009United States Lessons: 2Licks: 1Karma: 16 Jkshoe says:I have no idea what intervals and degrees are. Check out this lesson from the legendary Phipster, and read up on others. You don't NEED to know why things are the way they are to make good music, but to progress to any reasonable level, I think you would need to know theory. I liken music to science: the best way to learn and understand anything is to constantly ask and the question: Why? You're on the right path my friend. http://www.all-guitar-chords.com/lesson.php?id=202