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Using Em instead of Edim

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jaden403  
9 Jul 2007 21:47 | Quote
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In the key of Fmajor, the vii is Edim. Is there any reason why I cannot play Eminor instead?

Technically, it is not in the scale (according to the progression listed on this site), but all of the notes that are different are still in the same scale. I just like the quality of the Eminor a lot better than that of Edim.

Thanks
bodom  
9 Jul 2007 22:07 | Quote
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Well the E dim has a flat 5 and the the E minor doesn't. So the E dim notes are E,G,Bb (all notes in Key of F) the E minor notes are E,G,B (B is not in Key of F) So if you play the E minor you are no longer in the Key of "F".
jaden403  
9 Jul 2007 22:33 | Quote
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Thanks for the input. I see what you are saying.

I am creating a vocal melody that uses the following pitches:

A A# B D E G

So I guess this is not in any key at all. Hmmm...this is confusing.
mightydave  
10 Jul 2007 07:30 | Quote
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but you can play a bVII ( Eb major ) instead of the Edim , the diminished chord is very rarely used so often substituted by this chord...
mightydave  
10 Jul 2007 07:32 | Quote
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@jaden , with the A,A#,B you're probably using a blues scale (E blues minor)
paerdeveygh  
10 Jul 2007 08:00 | Quote
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when playing in F major, you can also use the C7 instead of the Edim, only you have to leave all the C notes out...
jaden403  
10 Jul 2007 08:54 | Quote
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Thanks to everyone who posted.

Since the A# is only used a couple of times (3 per verse), I could simply make them accidentals. If I do that, then I can use either C major or A minor right, since there are no other sharps or flats in the entire melody?
mightydave  
10 Jul 2007 09:50 | Quote
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yes or Gmajor and E minor , maybe E minor fits more because the A# is the E minor blues scale :)
don't know that much about it , but i think e minor suits more than a minor
well just try out both and see for yourself what sounds best

good luck
bodom  
10 Jul 2007 12:10 | Quote
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@ paerdeveygh a C7 with no C notes is just a E diminished triad.

@jaden403 ....I would go with what mightydave said. Your are playing the E blues scale so I would take the chords from the G major scale. That is why the E minor
sounds better because it fits the notes you are basing your melody off.
bodom  
10 Jul 2007 12:12 | Quote
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Sorry .. by G major scale I mean the Key of G Major.
paerdeveygh  
11 Jul 2007 07:05 | Quote
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@ bodom,

"@ paerdeveygh a C7 with no C notes is just a E diminished triad."

Yeah, indeed, you're right, my talent for stating the obvious never ceases to amaze me :)


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