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gshredder2112  
12 Jul 2011 21:00 | Quote
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@Dr i got the nirvana shirt for my bday,i like to
wear it alot. I wasnt looking for a confrontation,i was
testing a guitar,and i got laughed at. WWDRD?

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gs2112
Guitarslinger124  
13 Jul 2011 05:12 | Quote
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gshredder2112 says:
Thats because distortion has a natural tendency
to make things go sharp,thats why most metal.guitarists
tune down a half step.


I am very curious to know from who or from where you heard this.

In some cases, over modulation can cause this, but most distortion devices compensate for this effect.

If for whatever reason, distortion does in fact make "things" go sharp, why in the hell would you compensate by tuning down a half step? What would that accomplish? You would still be sharp.

I personally have never heard of anyone in any genre tuning down because of the said "natural" phenomina.

In tune is in tune and sharp is sharp. How could you ever use massive amounts of distortion, play any metal and hope to jam with someone else if you are "going sharp"?

Are you saying that if I play the note A without distortion it would be A# with distortion? Please clarify, because maybe I am miss-judging this.

Like I said, I would really love to know where you got this bit of information from!

Rock on!
V3N0M3333  
13 Jul 2011 12:02 | Quote
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Guitarslinger124 says:
why in the hell would you compensate by tuning down a half step? What would that accomplish? You would still be sharp.


@gs yea i never heard this either....didnt read it lol

@gs124 it actually happened to me a couple of times....i wouldnt say A to A#...its more like the note between A and A#...but i compensate by turning the volume down or turning my amp off.

keep in mind, i have a flextone II....those are more "computerized", emulated effects that im dealing with as opposed to the original things...and it only really happened when i had the volume at "glass breaking" levels
MoshZilla1016  
13 Jul 2011 12:45 | Quote
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How would a band playing live stay in tune with each other when switching back and forth from distorted and clean?
gshredder2112  
13 Jul 2011 13:03 | Quote
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k@gs124 if the signal going into the amp was
detuned,then sharped by the amp,theoretically
it should come out in tune notes.

WHen i say most metal guitarists,i mean me and about
5-guitarists friends. When you pump a distorted guitar,through
A small or cheap amp at A high volume,with alot of treble
The notes are gonna end up sharp,just because your overloading
the small/cheap speakers. This doesn"t really pertain
to all people or amps,just the ones i have. I figured
V3 might like that tip too,it works for me.

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tinyskateboard  
13 Jul 2011 13:12 | Quote
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gs2112: Why whould the notes raise in pitch? Wouldn't it just distort, like everyone elses setup?

gshredder2112 says:
e notes are gonna end up sharp,just because your overloading
the small/cheap speakers.
gshredder2112  
13 Jul 2011 13:47 | Quote
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That i cant explain tsb,im not an amp expert.Its just an observation
i have made.But have you ever held a chromatic tuner,to a distorted
amp?Not regular dist,ones where notes a smearing.You will indefinently find some sort of modulation to the note,even if
your guitar is in perfect tune.
Ozzfan486  
13 Jul 2011 13:55 | Quote
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Sounds like you just need a new amp if that's really the case.
Domigan_Lefty  
13 Jul 2011 22:16 | Quote
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If your notes are going sharp either
1) intonation is off
2) fetting too hard
3) strumming too hard
4) something similar

Distortion does not make your signal go sharp.
V3N0M3333  
13 Jul 2011 23:10 | Quote
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@Dom

1)nah...i took my guitar to the doctor and got it setup properly (i like to get expiremental)

2)Possibly...based on my and others experience i know that rosewood(my fav) fretboards sorta "sink in"(not permanently) when you play too hard

3)i do very small motions with my wrist so no

4)..............
gshredder2112  
13 Jul 2011 23:19 | Quote
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+1 ^^^
tinyskateboard  
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V3n0/\/\: Do you have jumbo frets?
Guitarslinger124  
14 Jul 2011 02:32 | Quote
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gshredder2112 says:
k@gs124 if the signal going into the amp was
detuned,then sharped by the amp,theoretically
it should come out in tune notes.

WHen i say most metal guitarists,i mean me and about
5-guitarists friends. When you pump a distorted guitar,through
A small or cheap amp at A high volume,with alot of treble
The notes are gonna end up sharp,just because your overloading
the small/cheap speakers. This doesn"t really pertain
to all people or amps,just the ones i have. I figured
V3 might like that tip too,it works for me.


1)Theorectically? According to what theory?
2)If you are right, there would be no way to be sure what notes would come out of your amp, as every piece of modualting or demodulating would expect different results. Detuned would really not solve a damn thing.
3)Of course there will be modulation! There is always modulation. That is what amps do.
4)You should clarify "most" more often, because most, most definitely does not include you or your five buddies. Unless you or your five buddies are included in a long list of amplification experts.

Domigan_Lefty says:
If your notes are going sharp either
1) intonation is off
2) fetting too hard
3) strumming too hard
4) something similar

Distortion does not make your signal go sharp.


+1



I am sorry if I sound mean, it is not my intention to rant or rave, but sometimes I just cannot help myself.

Rock on!
AlexB  
14 Jul 2011 05:28 | Quote
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Amps Modulate Amplitude,Distortion makes this to your signal




They do nothing to actual frequency (pitch),small/cheap speakers do nothing to pitch,do your songs change pitch when you listen to music in some cheap earphones? if you plug your mp3 into one of those cheap amps,add distortion and treble,will they change their key?

Unless proper pitch modulation is applied,no,most metal players detune because it sounds "heavier".
btimm  
14 Jul 2011 07:22 | Quote
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Nice AlexB, I like seeing the science behind it all.
DanielM  
14 Jul 2011 08:18 | Quote
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+1 to Alex

The only thing I think could possibly make your notes higher than they are played is noise being added to the signal and when the notes of the guitar are combined with the noise it adds higher frequencies to the pitch. However I really am not sure how such noise could be added...
gshredder2112  
14 Jul 2011 11:03 | Quote
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Guitarslinger124 says:
theorectically? according to what theory.
Apparently The "gs has crap gear and has to find ways to make it work" theory. I have no idea whats wrong with
the freakin amp,I do all those things I
said above,and it works.

V3 Said he was having a similar
problem,so i thought this info would pertain to him also.
Ill admit,Some of the things I was spouting off about
up there were borderline r3tarded,they could have been better
explained. I deserve to be ranted. But hey everyone has there
own technical tricks,and knows the kinks and such of there own
personal equipment,i guess mine seem a bit eccentric,so I will
keep em to myself from now on.
btimm  
14 Jul 2011 11:26 | Quote
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There is no need to keep things to yourself. Just understand that when someone explains why you (or me or anyone else) might be wrong, it is nothing more than a learning experience. Everyone here appreciates the input of everyone in the community, so never stop learning dude.
gshredder2112  
14 Jul 2011 11:49 | Quote
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Very true Brian,I will take that into consideration.
tinyskateboard  
14 Jul 2011 11:53 | Quote
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Your 5 friends all have the same problem though. Maybe there is a vortex near you!

http://www.mysteryspot.com/
Guitarslinger124  
14 Jul 2011 17:17 | Quote
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*I do not know why this posted twice, so ignore the former.

btimm says:
There is no need to keep things to yourself. Just understand that when someone explains why you (or me or anyone else) might be wrong, it is nothing more than a learning experience. Everyone here appreciates the input of everyone in the community, so never stop learning dude.


+1. Very true. I did not mean to try and stop you from posting these kinds of... ideas.

What you must understand though, is that: wrong is wrong and right is right.

I would encourage you to continue posting your issues with equipment or whatever else, so as to enable yourself to receive answers, whether you like them or not. Remember, you will always miss 100% of the shots you do not take!

I am sorry if I gave the wrong impression, for I really was curious as to where you heard this info, though I will not lie; I was quite disappointed in your answer.

I try my best to remain unbiased and respect everyone on this forum. So if you feel as though I have insulted you, please let me know so that I may correct this and apologize.

Your questions and concerns are always welcome. Although, next time I would suggest a bit of research prior to simply posting a reply.

Rock on!
gshredder2112  
14 Jul 2011 17:49 | Quote
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This is why gs124 should be a mod.Conflict resolution skills +1.

I have now done a large amount research on the topic,And i have come
up with nothing. I guess my amp and V3's are enigma's. It surely
puzzles me,and probably you 10x more. All apologies
for not rephrasing this question better,but then agian,it
wasnt really a question. Thanks for taking your time to even reply
it is heavily appreciated.

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gs2112
V3N0M3333  
14 Jul 2011 20:04 | Quote
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@tsb yes i have jumbo

@alexB i guess i shouldve mentioned that i did have headphones plugged up to my amp when i notied the slight change in pitch.....ipod headphones attatched to a 1/8 to 1/4 adapter....also, cool science +1

@gs124 like i said before.....i actually think that the reason my amp sorta shifted pitch is because there was a fault in the amps computer. it made a sound similar to a dying toy only it was a very slight, but noticeable shift

@gs2112

tinyskateboard  
14 Jul 2011 21:20 | Quote
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V3nom: My jumbo fret guitar goes sharp if I fret too hard...like a scalloped fretboard.
V3N0M3333  
14 Jul 2011 22:31 | Quote
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yea true but i dont fret hard
tinyskateboard  
14 Jul 2011 23:47 | Quote
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I do, but I'm trying to lighten up my touch like you shreddaz.
AlexB  
15 Jul 2011 00:09 | Quote
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When you fret too hard + pick too hard,with the propper tone (thousands of gear/high Level Of Tone knowledge) you get this

Guitarslinger124  
15 Jul 2011 03:00 | Quote
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That's **ing awesome Alex!

Rock on!
V3N0M3333  
15 Jul 2011 10:07 | Quote
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@alexB +1 for the vid

and i dont know sh*t about tone...all i know is "turn all the knobs up(maybe not too much mid)". my knowlegde of tone is limited to my flextone...i know how to get good sound out of those
case211  
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gshredder2112 says:
Thats because distortion has a natural tendency
to make things go sharp,thats why most metal.guitarists
tune down a half step.


Uhhhh... maybe like cents sharp, not steps sharp dude. Distortion isn't a pitch shifter. Metal acts like Slayer, Metallica, AiC, etc.(and many other acts live) will tune down to Eb because it's easier on the vocals range-wise, and also because of the slightly lower end chunk it gives without losing clarity and a tight repsonse, not because their amps distortion has a tendency to change the tuning.
V3N0M3333  
15 Jul 2011 16:25 | Quote
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@case thats the word i was lookin for...cents
JazzMaverick  
15 Jul 2011 18:45 | Quote
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D:

My mind just aspoloded everywhere!! le' omfg.

I'm in love!
thatguitarguy  
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+1 for the djent post alex.
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