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what shreds more neoclassical vs jazz fusion

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gshredder2112  
4 Mar 2011 19:00 | Quote
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ROUND 1 YNGWIE MAALMSTEEN VS AL DI MEOLA

Yngwie Malmsteen - Neoclassical




Al Di Meola - Jazz Fusion


gshredder2112  
4 Mar 2011 19:04 | Quote
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typo^^ the sencond vid is jazz fusion and al di.meola
Admiral  
4 Mar 2011 21:03 | Quote
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I quite dislike malmsteen, because i believe that he has a great potential, a great technique but he always destroys the whole sound of his playing by throwing in faaaar to many notes. If I had to choose, I would pick the second one. But also the second video wasnt overwhelming in most parts. I think that there was just the melody missing, like in most neoclassical shredding pieces. I dont want to flame or anything, but I just wanted to express my opinion on this ;)
gshredder2112  
4 Mar 2011 21:07 | Quote
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@admiral.thats what i wanted,every bodys opion
Admiral  
4 Mar 2011 21:10 | Quote
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I think malmsteen is such a great blues player sometimes, his licks are amazing but then he starts to go for the fancy playing again and it all starts to fade out.

Which one do you prefer?
gshredder2112  
4 Mar 2011 23:14 | Quote
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i actually prefer al di meola bcuz he is my currrrent hero XD,but yngwie also has haf a huge influence on my playing,so i have a tremendous respect for him,and i wont abandon liking him just bcuz people.flame him
nullnaught  
4 Mar 2011 23:47 | Quote
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I have no clue who is more technically skilled. But malmsteen means nothing to me while al means a great deal.
AlexB  
5 Mar 2011 00:01 | Quote
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I rather have yngwie :D
Admiral  
5 Mar 2011 02:21 | Quote
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Actually, after listening to far beyond the sun a couple of time I'm starting to quite like the song. Album version is pretty cool. Thanks for sharing!
gshredder2112  
5 Mar 2011 02:37 | Quote
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ROUND 2! ALLAN HOLDSWORTH VS MAESTRO ALEX GREGORY

holdswoth- jazz fuision
gshredder2112  
5 Mar 2011 02:39 | Quote
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ROUND 2! ALLAN HOLDSWORTH VS MAESTRO ALEX GREGORY

holdswoth- jazz fuision
mastro alex gregory- neoclassical
DannyEss  
5 Mar 2011 02:55 | Quote
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I tend to like Fusion Players over Neoclassical. There are two main reasons:

1. I prefer the tone of most fussion players over the Neoclassical

2. Fussion players tend to have better phasing.

gshredder2112  
5 Mar 2011 03:29 | Quote
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yes,holdsworth does have killer phrasingg,but maestro tone is superb
JazzMaverick  
5 Mar 2011 12:55 | Quote
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Guthrie Govan :) He's amazing :D

And one of my favourite songs by Guthrie Govan - Waves:
Ozzfan486  
5 Mar 2011 13:23 | Quote
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:O Jazz is BACK!!!

That stuff of Guthrie's blew me away, I'm definitely checking his stuff out some more.

Ozz
AlexB  
5 Mar 2011 13:28 | Quote
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Jazzy just posted THE artist,there is before guthrie and after guthrie.
MoshZilla1016  
5 Mar 2011 14:29 | Quote
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I like both but given only one choice I would listen to fusion.
Frank Gambale, Alan Holdsworth, Guthrie Govan, Shawn Lane...
gshredder2112  
5 Mar 2011 15:19 | Quote
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@mosh i agrre but yngwie and maestro are epic
Domigan_Lefty  
5 Mar 2011 15:56 | Quote
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Does Vai's time as a composer count as neoclassical? (For example "For the Love of God")
AlexB  
5 Mar 2011 16:16 | Quote
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Domigan

No
gshredder2112  
5 Mar 2011 16:41 | Quote
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FINAL ROUND cacaphony vs shawn lane shawn lane cacaphony
DarkRiff  
5 Mar 2011 18:35 | Quote
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Well, since I haven't voted on any of the vids yet I say

R1: Di Meola
R2: Holdsworth
R3: Lane

I've never like Govan really. He bores me. I just feel like there's no emotion in his playing. Plus his tone is very generic. Honestly, I can't tell the difference between Guthrie Govan and John Petrucci.

So far jazz fusion is winning! IMO
gshredder2112  
5 Mar 2011 19:24 | Quote
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R1 TIE

R2 Maestro alex gregory

R3 LANE
i guess jazz fusion is winning
JazzMaverick  
5 Mar 2011 21:18 | Quote
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@ DarkRiff, that's cool, you're entitled to your opinion and it's good that you have a reason to back up why you don't like his style. But in truth, there will probably be another musician like you out there saying similar things about your playing some day.

It's true, you can't please them all, but to even get to his stage of playing ability requires A LOT of dedication, blood, sweat & life opportunities passed by just to do what he's passionate about. There is far more emotion in his playing than you understand dude. Even though he's not your thing - imagine how amazing it would be just to play at his ability and have his knowledge? He passes through the guitar so quickly because it's second memory to him - that's amazing.

Yngwie, Al Di Meola, Shawn Lane, Cacophony and anyone else mentioned or ever to be mentioned have that exact same, brilliant, passion inside of them. That pure talent and ambition. But if we all had that similar emotion in our playing that you're thinking of - we'd all be boring, we'd all be the same. That's why variety is so important.

Yeah, I don't like people like Slash or bands like Iron Maiden, but I honestly do not recommend passing their knowledge by... even if we don't like them their talent contains a lot of useful information inside! I hope you will understand that some day dude :) It could help you to become an amazing musician one day.
gshredder2112  
5 Mar 2011 21:42 | Quote
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@jazzmaverck. so let me see if understand you correctly you suggest that people should not dislike someone bcuz they have never walked in there shoes,exppierinced wat they expeierienced and share there passion for what they do?.....PURE BRILLIANCE!! now if we could only make o ther musicians understand
this
JazzMaverick  
5 Mar 2011 21:56 | Quote
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You can dislike whatever you want, that's freewill and preferences are terrific in their own way.

It's a shame you misunderstood but I needn't explain it again.
gshredder2112  
5 Mar 2011 22:03 | Quote
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i failed,F-
DarkRiff  
6 Mar 2011 11:49 | Quote
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@Jazz

I did not say I didn't respect his playing or knowledge of music. It's just not a style of playing that interests me.
Emotion can be expressed in many ways, I know that. But to me, when someone's playing is so "scheduled" (for lack of a better term), It seems like there is no emotion to me. (I like a wee bit of sloppyness in playing)
I guess I was a little harsh on the tone remark. A lot of people have a "generic" tone. Not just Govan
I know there is someone out there that plays like me. I've been told many times that I play almost exactly like Frank Zappa.
I respect all good players out there. But it doesn't necessarily mean I have to like their playing.
JazzMaverick  
6 Mar 2011 15:30 | Quote
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@DarkRiff,

That's cool dude, I never said not to dislike anything :) Just thought I'd let you know that even though he's not amazing in your books, or others for that matter, you could benefit from their knowledge if you wanted. That's all. But disliking him is cool man. :)
gshredder2112  
5 Jul 2011 00:14 | Quote
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V3N0M3333  
5 Jul 2011 20:07 | Quote
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aww man so hard to choose!!!

the neoclassical part of me loves the harmonic minor scales, chord progressions, the use of Maj, Min, and Dim arps. and the SPEED

the jazz part of me loves the "exotic" scales, the super crazy arpeggios, the killer chromatics, wholetones, and all the "weird stuff". jazz players are so clean and swift too.

these two styles combined is basically what makes V3N0M
gshredder2112  
5 Jul 2011 21:04 | Quote
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Haha very cool V3,sounds like your a beast.
When i started,I was a thrasher,so that helped develop my
speed alot.But then i got on this neoclassical kick,i was an
yngwie clone basically,until i discoved al di meola,the I
leaned toward a more fusion style of shredding.I dont play both of
those too much anymore,im more into a more classic jazz
style.of shredding(not fusion)But along the way i ventured into reggae,country,even techon,and flamenco.

But right now my main focus is 50's rock.and indian raga,which
is an extremely difficult genre,shredwise.


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gs2112
V3N0M3333  
5 Jul 2011 21:40 | Quote
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any new vids of you playing??
gshredder2112  
5 Jul 2011 22:03 | Quote
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Not at the momentk....well actuall check the videos of your playing thread,
theres a recent one there,and some old jazz vid.
macandkanga  
6 Jul 2011 10:41 | Quote
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Here's another thread with a list of guitarists that I wouldn't put up against each other. Each one of these guys are different. They are all leaders in their class! I will say, however, that DiMeola is the first to alternate pick at blazing speeds on an electric guitar in the jazz fusion style. He was only 19 years old when he joined RTF in the early 70's.


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