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carlsnow  
1 Jun 2010 06:57 | Quote
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GREAT poll Idea Mr Phip!

I am a guitar teacher and still take lessons. So count me as a very firm YES.
Its a necessity imo.
(lol even fer a guy who has played fer 33 years lol like me)

RAWK!
Cs


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adelaideguitar  
1 Jun 2010 07:42 | Quote
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A teacher who respect me is far from sight. Most are just idiots with nothing to say.

Actually, scratch that. All are idiots with nothing to say. Teaching isnt about giving an opinion. Its about, providing information to enpower someone else to achieve more than yourself.

Most people hate that idea. Due to ego and selfish nature, or lack of talent

At the end of the day, a student should beat his master. Its the rule of progress.
EMB5490  
1 Jun 2010 08:03 | Quote
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yes, i do. a teacher is almost necesary in my opinion, so helpful more then anything. could i get to the point i am without a teacher? sure. would it be much harder? YES.

im a strong believer in a teacher and i find that a lot of guitarists are embarresed to get a teacher (embaressed theyre not good enough) maybe to egotistical to realize they need one...

however if you play guitar for fun and just want to learn some songs and to play just to be happy a teacher certainly isnt necesary... but if your seriuous about it... you need one.
adelaideguitar  
1 Jun 2010 08:20 | Quote
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@EMB5490

Coming from a 16 yo with a picture of Randy Rhoads as their profile picture.

You will speak differently after an extra 20+ years of life

You will learn that most teachers are full of s h i t. Find someone you trust and pay very very close attendtion to what they say

carlsnow  
1 Jun 2010 08:50 | Quote
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adelaideguitar says:
Teaching isnt about giving an opinion. Its about, providing information to enpower someone else to achieve more than yourself.

VERY, very true!
... a sign reading "remain teachable",
(an ancient Zen Koran lifted from my old (was 89!) Korean Grandmaster Y. J. Kim) still hangs framed over the dor into my studio.

adelaideguitar says:
All are idiots with nothing to say.


so... if i (a guitar teacher) read you right you believe this:
(being part of "ALL")->"Carl Snow is an idiot with nothing to say" ?

I would really like that clarified as I am hoping your intent was not meant to insult me.

I took guitar lessons from a wonderful woman beginning in 1975, who wisely saw that my immediate needs would be best met by Terry Hill (R.I.P.) (my mentor, and later very dear friend), Who suggested, when i wanted to learn Slide-Guitar Hector Qirko, a wonderful guy whom i still seek tutorship from. When classical-guitar became my weakness, i sought the council of Ben Bolt (a student of Andreas Segovia and Carlos Montoya) and HIS teacher (teachers should remain teachable) Larry Long.
Point being there will always be someone better at playing than you, and, if possible, that "someone" would make a great teacher for 'you'.

and in saying this-> i also must add another question for you to clarify concerning this "selfish nature" you mentioned:
--->I'm not seeing how any of these teachers displayed any form of "selfish nature" i mean heck, they'd send me to others when "a specialist" was needed to tweak 'this' or 'that' aspect of my playing.

adelaideguitar says:
Copy and Paste quote here!


I'm hoping you 'misspoke', or that i'm just 'reading you incorrectly'.
as in your previous post such hatred has been absent; on the contrary ,i've seen you add MUCH valuable information TO the forum.

Carl Snow
carlsnow  
1 Jun 2010 09:01 | Quote
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adelaideguitar says:
@EMB5490

Coming from a 16 yo with a picture of Randy Rhoads as their profile picture.

You will speak differently after an extra 20+ years of life

You will learn that most teachers are full of s h i t. Find someone you trust and pay very very close attendtion to what they say


wow!, just wow...
I guess i did take you right.

And to speak from such a negative place betrays a self-loathing and/or insecurity in either yourself or your playing.

either way

stop it with the 2nd grade insults, you only make yourself look weaker and far more juvenile than the younger people you so flippantly dismiss.

The 'kids' you are insulting are the future, get used to it, come off your high-horse and HELP them rather than insult them.

I'm of the opinion that throwing such a hate-filled and conceited at ANY-one, without ANY provocation whatsoever warrants and apology to this board to EMB who is a very nice guy who did not deserve a the flaccid sucker-punch you dealt him above.


Carl Snow
guitar teacher AND guitar student

adelaideguitar  
1 Jun 2010 09:26 | Quote
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See, music comes from tension. Read what you will.
carlsnow  
1 Jun 2010 09:27 | Quote
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ChicagoMedic  
1 Jun 2010 10:00 | Quote
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I have not looked seriously into a teacher. The prices seem outrageous. Although I took a fingerboard theory class with a hippy who never taught any real theory in the class.

I suppose I should look into finding someone, as I want to get more serious.
carlsnow  
1 Jun 2010 10:26 | Quote
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@ ChicagoMedic
(I'm assuming lol ya live in ChiTown)
what do teachers ask for there?

and are you looking at stores
OR
"freelance/w-o-m" guys like myself?

ChicagoMedic says:
I suppose I should look into finding someone, as I want to get more serious


I agree. The web, for all its (and there are many) good points is no replacement for sitting down one-on-one with a teacher, like i said above i STILL do that and i've taught fer years *-)

lemme know the info above and i may be able to help ya find the right shoe.

RAWK!
Cs


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adelaideguitar  
1 Jun 2010 11:16 | Quote
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carlsnow, do you feel sometimes you are full of s h i t?
Admiral  
1 Jun 2010 11:28 | Quote
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making a discussion on a topic to a discussion about the persons involved in it is not something you should aim for.

I think a teacher is a good thing to have. Someone who can make you think outside the box. Not all teachers are good out there of course, that would be irrational to think. But if you turn it around - Not all teachers are bad, that would also be irrational to believe.
And for example Carl, is a person who has taught me something, and he also put time and effort in replying to my questions. So in my opinion carl, you are a great teacher!

I once heard a great saying which I think is pretty true:

A good teacher is like a candle; it consumes itself to light the way for others.
Phip  
1 Jun 2010 11:59 | Quote
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Good Grief! This was supposed to be your basic YES or NO kinda poll. It has turned into something quite different and I'm semi-dissapointed.
Good/bad exists in all professions. To make a blanket statement that ALL teachers are full of crap is absurd.
IMO Carl is an excellent teacher and I'm not going to elaborate on that. It's a simple question; do you have a teacher or not? Answer and move on. If ya wanna get into some other discussion make another thread.
Thanks,
Steve
carlsnow  
1 Jun 2010 12:20 | Quote
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Phip

to be fair, old Pal; MOST all questions/answers/statements have been on topic.
IE: Admiral, EMB and ChicagoMedic

but yeah (i think this is kinda what yer saying)
the personal attack stuff is just silly and unneeded

RAWK!
Cs


PS: the poll numbers are very tight ... i cant wait to see the final tally
JazzMaverick  
1 Jun 2010 13:38 | Quote
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Ok this went way too far...

adelaideguitar says:
carlsnow, do you feel sometimes you are full of s h i t?


Hey, Adelaid-wannabe... ever get the feeling you're going to fail in life? WTF is your problem? Carl is ten times better than you and always will be - learn the word RESPECT.

Just because you have had bad experiences with teachers does not mean they're all sh!t - YOU'RE sh!t and VERY ignorant for even saying that!

EVERYONE has benefited from Carl's info - so STFU or leave.

@ Carl - he was referring to the teachers around him that "All are idiots" Not you man :) Of course you're not an idiot.

But... this whole thing has gone out of perportion... So just be men about it and stop this convo now, k? :)

(haha, after I just let out some fumes myself!)

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Continuing Phip's wonderful topic...

I unfortunately don't have a teacher, I'm aware that I would greatly benefit if I had one, but alas... I don't have the money right now... So I learn what I can, when I can :D
BodomBeachTerror  
1 Jun 2010 13:42 | Quote
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Yes, and he's actually one of the best guitarists in Canada, and he's got the papers to prove it haha
case211  
1 Jun 2010 13:47 | Quote
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I wish I could find a teacher here that wasn't charging more then the rent each month :P Let alone one that I can honestly say would help me more than take my money each week...
Carl how far away are you? XD haha
JazzMaverick  
1 Jun 2010 13:51 | Quote
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They kinda need the money, but I definitely know what you mean Case! haha!
Heather  
1 Jun 2010 14:22 | Quote
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Nah not since I left school. I need the money for other stuff.
EMB5490  
1 Jun 2010 14:39 | Quote
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adelaideguitar says:
@EMB5490

Coming from a 16 yo with a picture of Randy Rhoads as their profile picture.

You will speak differently after an extra 20+ years of life

You will learn that most teachers are full of s h i t. Find someone you trust and pay very very close attendtion to what they say


i dont usually get p.o. quickly but this is really pissing me off. im 16. deal with it.just because im 16 doesnt mean i dont know **. if your developing an argument against me, FINE, dont use my ***ing age. most of the members here are around my age! lay off about age.

and id figure its the exact opposite, id think as you get older you realize the more you had to learn and how a teacher would benifit you. and the p.o.s. teachers you may had doesnt make the concept of teaching bad... in a general argument on this your arguing no teacher... how the hell would you have done anything without someone telling you how to do it to a certain degree. not like communism but you know what i mean. id really find it harder to learn spanish w/o a teacher. id find it harder to learn anything w/o a teacher.

and what does randy rhoads have to do with it? he had a teacher... if i had van halen would it be different? and van halen did have a teacher, teacher
EMB5490  
1 Jun 2010 14:40 | Quote
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and talking generally the idea and concept of being taught something. how can you say its not good? how else would one learn? it would certainly be hard. not impossible but much harder. teachers are benificial. however a good teacher is better :)
ChicagoMedic  
1 Jun 2010 14:45 | Quote
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Carl,

Teachers here generally charge 30-40 dollars per hour. I guess that's not too bad. I can afford it. Just been lazy about actually finding someone, as that seems to be the hardest part.

I buy lots of books though--but I do feel sitting down w/someone will help a lot.

ade=tool.



I'd appreciate any help.
EMB5490  
1 Jun 2010 14:51 | Quote
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comon lets stop the name calling and hating and stuff.


deadman2k666  
1 Jun 2010 15:07 | Quote
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wow, i cant believe some of the stuff thats been said, absolutely ridiculous. BUt no i dont have a teacher, mind you someday i would love to have one. Just at this moment in time i can't really afford it
case211  
1 Jun 2010 15:07 | Quote
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@jazzy

yeah, I definitely know that they need the money, I just don't think I can spend $45 per HALF hour, and feel okay about it since I don't know how well they can teach versus how much I can not eat in a week. I would love to have a teacher that I can honestly trust if I'm going to spend so much in a month, cause I'm going to be out on my own here in a while and don't think I'll have the means to spend so much :P
GuitarGeorge  
1 Jun 2010 15:16 | Quote
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I don't have a teacher right now, but since I'll be attending a new school I'll get one the coming fall! :)
Ozzfan486  
1 Jun 2010 15:21 | Quote
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lol. Go EMB. And I used to have a teacher, but quit to learn on my own. I've really learned a lot form listening to different things, watching lessons of different guys, and just jamming weird things myself, but I think I'm going to start taking lessons again soon. I feel like I can focus on things now that I've had my jollies learning what I've wanted to learn. I'm listing this as a "yes" due to this.

Ozz
EMB5490  
1 Jun 2010 15:25 | Quote
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45$ a half hour? rip off! i have 60 per hour which is honestly very expensive. however its only every other week, i have a job and its well worth it.

theres some things that i feel you cant learn without a teacher
carlsnow  
1 Jun 2010 15:35 | Quote
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ChicagoMedic says:
Carl,

Teachers here generally charge 30-40 dollars per hour. I guess that's not too bad. I can afford it. Just been lazy about actually finding someone, as that seems to be the hardest part.


HMm:30-40 dollars per hour = 160 per mo. I charge 85 per month (4 hrs) i suspected it'd be more costly there but not THAT much more;
I, however , live in east-tn where guitar teachers are abundant, and so, charge less.
but if its affordable to you go for it! :)

YES it is the finding that is the tough part ... To that end, if you know folks who play around town(or +) or see a guitarist playing who you like I would approach them with your dilemma.
+ IMO, music stores are the last place to look (oddly enough 20-30 years ago i would have said the opposite, but times change) for a good teacher.
oddly enough a great player teacher friend of mine (Dave) hails from Chi-Town and is known as 'Detroit Dave' 'round here, damn lucky we have him, dang shame he left before i could , lol, recommend him..BUT to that end ... I will ask Dave (maybe wed or thur) if he has any recommendations (knows folks all around the state).

till then (or another idea)

RAWK!
Cs



case211  
1 Jun 2010 17:00 | Quote
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I would love to get a teacher but I can't really afford most of the ones around here. And if I can, they're usually waaaaaay out there, which would probably level out to the other teacher prices with the gas money to get there.
EMB5490  
1 Jun 2010 17:03 | Quote
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mine comes to my house
michaelcollins  
1 Jun 2010 17:09 | Quote
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i used to want a teacher but Ive always been poor,but now i don't think there's anything anyone could teach that i couldn't figure out on my own or find on the internet
ChicagoMedic  
1 Jun 2010 21:45 | Quote
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Thanks Carl I'd appreciate that. I'll PM you my email
coleman  
2 Jun 2010 02:04 | Quote
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my teacher is the man! i highly recomened lessons they are so choice!
deefa  
2 Jun 2010 07:18 | Quote
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I'm a bit of a don't know with teachers. On one hand, I'm glad I started as a self taught guitarist 'cause I only play what I want to play and therefore only learn what I want to learn. Having said that, I'm pretty sure that if I'd found a teacher who would simply advise on technique and perhaps pointed out some of the bad habits I was getting into, I might have learned faster and done more than I have.
On the whole I'm fairly happy that "I did it my way" but then, I'm just a 'bedroom rocker' and content to stay that way.
JazzMaverick  
2 Jun 2010 12:52 | Quote
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@ michaelcollins

bummer dude... you shouldn't think like that. Teachers help point out the mistakes you can't notice, they also tell you to do things you wouldn't think of doing at the time and they generally know what level you're and what where you should go from there. Obviously you have your own opinions but the internet definitely isn't everything...

Playing music is a physical thing... the net isn't (besides the keyboard and mouse)
Guitarslinger124  
2 Jun 2010 15:51 | Quote
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I've taken some pointers from people here and there, especially from my dad, who is a well established jazz guitarist. However, I have never had a "teacher". I feel like the early learning process would have been easier and there wouldn't be as many holes in my knowledge now, if you I'd had a teacher back in the day. But I think, my playing has taken on a style that I wish to believe is fairly unique and that is something that I would take over skill and knowledge any day, any time. I think if I would have had a teacher, he/she would have "cramped my style".
Also, I am not very open to instruction on someone else bias. I am open to learning new things, but on my own terms, and a teacher with a lesson plan just doesn't fit those terms. I also feel more accomplished when I can play things that people with years of lessons are still struggling to play or understand. I look at videos of guitar players who went to the best schools with the best teachers; they are all great players... I find just one problem, they all sound exactly the same: Satch/Vai/virtuoso wanna-be's. Granted some do manage to sound original and unique, but that is rare.

I've got nothing against teachers, it just ain't my cup of tea.

Rock on!
michaelcollins  
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JazzMaverick says:
@ michaelcollins

bummer dude... you shouldn't think like that. Teachers help point out the mistakes you can't notice, they also tell you to do things you wouldn't think of doing at the time and they generally know what level you're and what where you should go from there. Obviously you have your own opinions but the internet definitely isn't everything...

Playing music is a physical thing... the net isn't (besides the keyboard and mouse)


I know its not everything i just use it when i get stuck or if im looking for something new,and i record and watch myself play so i can analyze and see what to work on.
harleyofdoom  
4 Jun 2010 09:55 | Quote
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personally i believe in the free exchange of information. instead of getting a teacher i jam with as many different people as possible picking up licks and ideas about technique from each player i meet. I never liked being sat down and told to remember a string of 'facts'. i kind of think that creating a teacher student barrier is a bad thing for both parties as we all have something to learn and any guitarist with a drop of creativity has things they can teach others. the internet has also been useful if i require direct instruction on a specific technique there's always a tutorial video somewhere online that can help.

nater2  
4 Jun 2010 12:08 | Quote
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i can see both sides. but i have a teacher and he's legit.
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