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Two Chord Progressions!!!

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Reinhardt  
26 May 2010 03:19 | Quote
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What is some good scales to play over the following Chord progressions:
Am, Cmaj, Dm, Emaj (i play A Melodic Minor (Descending) Scale but dont get a good improv sound from it.
And
Em, Am, Cmaj, Bmaj(bar chords) (same as above only in E Melodic Minor (Descending) Scale

Im looking for a Spanish/Middle eastern and maybe metal sound?
If you guys can maybe tell me the exact scale to play over it cuz my theory is abit limited.

I would really appreciate a response
Thanks!
Reinhardt
EMB5490  
26 May 2010 05:17 | Quote
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well diatonically it would be in the key of cmaj, and in the key of c maj e is.... minor! that may be why. make that an em

and for the second it wouldnt be e melodic minor but e phrygian.

HOWEVER something im learing how to do now... dont just stay in shapes and modes. follow the chords. very very detailed explation that i dont want to give because ill be wrong in some parts...
Admiral  
26 May 2010 07:42 | Quote
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Well, in bot cases we have a major chord, where actually a minor chord should be. Looking at the first progression:
the E major contains a G# which isnt present in the Aminor scale (A H C D E F G) so what i would do is to stick to the A minor scale for the first three chords (really nice sound IMO) and then for the Emajor chord switch to the A harmonic minor scale (same scale as A melodic minor, just with the G raised to a G#. If you play over the Emaj chord really emphasize the G#! Thats really important.

For the second progression its the same. The Bmaj is not present in the key. Well, here we have the D# which is not in the scale of Eminor. So same thing again, use the E harmonic minor scale when you play over the Bmaj chord, for the rest of the progression stick to minor.

I don't know too much about spanish scales, so I'm sorry for that. Altough the Harmonic minor scale has a mode, spanish phrygian i believe its called, maybe you want to try that one out!

Nice progressions btw, great to jam on.
Hope i could help you!
Admiral  
26 May 2010 07:48 | Quote
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oh, and i forgót, if you use the blue note (a bend on D) over the emajor, it also sounds quite nice.
Reinhardt  
26 May 2010 08:33 | Quote
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Wait, they all start on minors! the first one is Eminor, Aminor, CMajor and Bmajor played very fast same with the other one!

Aminor, Cmajor, Dminor, Emajor

@EMB5490 can u please explain again, i dint understand what u were saying?
@Admiral hey man thx for the reply but i think u understood me wrong, i ment Em and Am as minors. and both chord progressions are played fast.
Admiral  
26 May 2010 08:50 | Quote
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so progression 1 is Aminor, Cmajor, Dminor and Emajor
2 is: Eminor Aminor, Cmajor, Bmajor

if that is correct, than i don't think i understood you wrong?
And the fact that they are played fast doesn't change anything ^^

I am talking about the scales to use..AHarmonic minor scale over the Emajor in your first progression? Do you get that?
Reinhardt  
26 May 2010 08:55 | Quote
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Interesting, so while im improvising in the key of A melodic Minor (descending) I just quickly play some notes of the A harmonic minor when the chord progression hits Emaj? same with the other one???
Admiral  
26 May 2010 10:15 | Quote
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ah right, haha, thats why it went wrong. Basically when you improvise, if you want to spice everything up a little bit, you can change the scales your are using during your progression. In this case, you can play the A minor scale over the first 3 chords, but then the Emajor doesn't fit into your Aminor patter because it contains a note (G#) which is not in the A melodic minor scale. So that's why your improvisation doesn't seem to work out. So I suggested you use the A melodic minor scale to improvise over the first 3 chords and when you get to Emajor you quickly change into the A harmonic minor scale and improvise in this scale over the chord. And remember to emphasize the G# note in that scale, it will sound good, trust me.
In the other chord progression it is similar, i would also use the E melodic minor scale for the first 3 chords and then for the Bmajor use the E harmonic minor scale.

Of course there are thousands of other ways to improvise over the progression, this is just one.

hope i could help
Reinhardt  
26 May 2010 12:01 | Quote
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Sound great! is there anyway I can maybe add you on skype just to hear what you can come up with and that I can show you the rhythm thats being used?
My skype name is Reinhardt3200
Thanks alot!
Admiral  
26 May 2010 12:09 | Quote
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hm, i don't have skype, but what i maybe could do is take the chords and then improvise something and record it but i wont be able to do that until the end of the week. i can kind of imagine the rhythm, something like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lvMQCmUVv8&feature=related

gabriela is actually using the same chord progression as you did in example 1, maybe you wanna give a listen to them and see what they made out of it?
Reinhardt  
26 May 2010 12:26 | Quote
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Oh my word dude, spot on! thats the progression im working on haha! and the style of music I play! U are bladdy sharp! the other chord progression is Hanuman from 11:11 new album.
Sick dude! ^_^
Reinhardt  
27 May 2010 04:22 | Quote
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Thanks alot man, makes alot of sense now! you actualy opened alot of doors for me now! I should probly look into learning modes right?
Admiral  
27 May 2010 11:17 | Quote
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well, the harmonic minor scale is an simple adjustment of the melodic minor scale (descending) as you know it. The modes are like a far bigger topic. It's not as simple as it sounds, even though you are already using two modes (major scale = Ionian mode; melodic minor scale (Aeolian mode). Before starting with modes, i would suggest that you learn the position ofe the major scale all across the fretboard in great depth, this will help you a lot with learning the modes later. For modes you need a lot more theory with the underlying chord progression etc. For a start i would suggest you have a look at the dorian mode, it is a great mode, santana (i think kind of your style) nearly plays it all the time, it#s got a nice bluesy, spanish sound. But do you understand the basic theory of modes already? and do you take lessons? because having a teacher is a great help with the modes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K-DbaaI4wc

this lesson helped me a lot at the start to understand the basic principles. Also check out afro ravens lesson on this site!

but seriously, if you want to learn the modes, that's fine, but I would for the start stick to the major and minor scale first, because it's a very long way until you are really able to use the modes, as you have far more "avoiding notes" etc.


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