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case211  
17 Mar 2010 22:23 | Quote
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my friend(and drummer) just got his record player up and running last week and we have been Vinyl crazy since(for $3 who wouldn't be?)
We have collectively:
Van Halen-Fair Warning, 1984, Diver Down, Van Halen II, 5150
Boston-Boston
Quiet Riot-Metal Health
Dokken-Under Lock and Key
Dave Brubeck Quartet
Kansas-Leftoverture
Journey-Frontiers
Aerosmith-Get Your wings(I think?)
Billy Idol-White Wedding
Guns N' Roses-Appetite for Destruction

what all do you have for vinyl? (BTW MUCH better than Digital)



JazzMaverick  
18 Mar 2010 05:26 | Quote
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Realistically, it's not better than digital considering we can now justify music. However, I too, sharing your passion for vinyl. I've been collecting vinyl since I was a kid and it covers a lot of music.

Depends on what you get... those may be $3 But there are some things that still charge the average price of a CD. (particuarly dubstep or DJ vinyl)
les_paul  
18 Mar 2010 17:49 | Quote
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I remember listening to Appetite for Destruction when it was first released, on my sisters record player. Even then I knew they would be huge!
Ozzfan486  
18 Mar 2010 19:09 | Quote
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lol. I have the digital and cassette. I feel like a n00b now hahaha.
gx1327  
19 Mar 2010 07:32 | Quote
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record store day (in the US) is april 17th? around april 17th. modest mouse is re-releasing "the moon and antarctica" on vinyl for it. buy it from your local record store. keep them in business. boycott itunes.
deefa  
19 Mar 2010 07:49 | Quote
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NOW you're talking my language!

All mint conditional original releases:-

Fresh Cream 1966
Disraeli gears 1967
Wheels of Fire (Double Album) '68
Goodbye Cream (live at the Royal Albert Hall)'69

The Beatles 'Rubber Soul' '65
Sgt Peppers '67
Beach Boys 'Pet Sounds' '67
Jimi Hendrix 'Are you experienced' '67

Deep Purple in Rock '1970
Black Sabbath 'Paranoid' '70
Deep Purple 'Machine Head' '72
The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars. '72

Loads and loads more but they're my favourites!
TheEbida  
19 Mar 2010 19:20 | Quote
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I have a ton of vinyl and love the sound for some reason. plus the artwork rocks....
Ozzfan486  
19 Mar 2010 19:36 | Quote
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Theres whole crates full of it at this one store near me. Most are mint too. I just don't have a player older than cassette and I'm not going to my grandma's to play old Aerosmith records. lol.
deefa  
20 Mar 2010 08:29 | Quote
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I've transferred most of the music from vinyl to CD and MP3 now. Took me about two years altogether. Then what happens, just when I don't need it anymore someone decides it would be a good idea to produce cheap USB turntables. Grrrr!
TheEbida  
20 Mar 2010 15:42 | Quote
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@deefa LOL... Yea I was looking at those.
case211  
20 Mar 2010 16:13 | Quote
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@jazz
yeah, realistically they aren't better, but there is something different about the overall sound and plus you pop it in and you sit around with friends just listening to it. Makes it a little bit better for me XD

@ozz
haha cassette is still vintage lol my dad had a few cassette tapes of Def Leppard, Van Halen, and Cinderella floating around in his car when he was back in high school

@deefa

dood... can I borrow Purple Haze? and Cream? and Sabbath? and... that is an awesome collection man :D glad you backed them up, you would not want to lose those(or at least the vinyl recordings)

@les paul

yeah me and my best friend went and bought it and popped it in, oh man we went nuts for about the whole album XD lol

@gx

for sure man, definitely prefer the sound of vinyl to digital anyday(though digital is easier to obtain most times)
Ozzfan486  
21 Mar 2010 20:04 | Quote
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Oh. well in that case I have a ton of "vintage" haha. My dad has cases of cassettes and I buy a few myself when I'm at this one store. They're really cheap there, and it's a great way to discover new bands.
carlsnow  
23 Mar 2010 15:07 | Quote
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our 'other' guitarist Mike, owns a used record store 'Lost & Found' and our practice spot (could not get image to load) is LITERALLY 1,000 square feet of floor to ceiling, wall to wall VINYL :)
(its "the warehouse" lol)
After a nice practice, a wonderful Sota turntable blasts vintage-vinyl (Grant Green last week) through the olde-fashioned smoking apparatus's fog.
I remember when CDs came out, i was working at 'Music Jungle', a nice old fashioned Record Store, and thinking ugh, there goes music/vinyl (lol).
happily i was proven wrong; and am witnessing a great LP revival (much like the 80's 'old Jazz revival', ushered in by the many-many Japanese CD imports of classics we westerners took/take for granted, such as (the first i recall) Coltrane's 'Soultrane', Miles 'Bags Groove' and the like, which i still have copies of.

obvious 'industry thang' re: all the above =
the cheap vinyl of the late 80's/early 90'pushing folks towards the THEN nearly indestructible CD
now the CDs are thin and shabby much like the LPs that came before them...
But hey! 'we have it for download'
If we learn anything from the past it is that record labels will come out BIG with 'the NEW THING' only to let it slide in quality to make way for 'the NEWER NEW THING'

Beyond that, having a ka-zillion LPs and about 4,000 CDs i CAN say
"yes its TRUE, well pressed virgin vinyl LPs DO sound warmer(better imo) than CDs"
and happily are making a comeback.

i've heard many a whine about the cost of quality vinyl, but hell, ya get what ya pay for, as they say, and a 99-cent mp3 download is lol worth every penny.

2-cents

RAWK!
Cs


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deefa  
24 Mar 2010 07:21 | Quote
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You're Spot on with your observation regarding industry tactics Carl. I've just been comparing the quality of vinyl between my 1966 Fresh Cream album and one of my later '80's Rainbow albums. I think the Cream one's at least twice as thick (and twice as heavy, no pun intended)!
gx1327  
25 Mar 2010 09:38 | Quote
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carlsnow says:
the cheap vinyl of the late 80's/early 90'pushing folks towards the THEN nearly indestructible CD
now the CDs are thin and shabby much like the LPs that came before them...


maybe BUT, you also have to admit that as the technology progresses it becomes more tolerant. what i mean is that the first generation of CD players and CDs were very fickle. do you remember when you first held a CD? you were extra precious with it because heaven forbid you should marr the mirror-like, perfect finish on the recorded side of the disc. the slightest imperfection would lead to an unreadable CD.

with today's CDs and CD players, you don't even need a CD jacket or jewel case anymore. my car is full of CDs out of their boxes, just tossed into my center console. they are filthy, but the CD player can still read them because the technology has advanced.

as for the vinyl vs. "digital" sound argument, it's all in your head. the problem is that the .mp3 format is a COMPRESSED format, meaning that it reduces file size by making some parts of the song redundant. i am perfectly happy with 128 kbps .mp3 files. i cannot tell the difference. however, some audio snobs trade in 356 kbps and higher .mp3s, some even use what's called FLAC audio which is a lossless audio copy. the truth is, you can fit more audio information into a digital file because you are only limited by the file size. on a vinyl disc you are limited by the format -- how much can the head read, how much can you fit on a disc?

the differences can be 60 megs for an album, or 250 megs for an album, or 600 megs for an album. which one is going to sound better? well comparing vinyl to the 60 meg vesion and the 600 meg version might be completely different.

also you have to admit that most PCs are hooked up to less-than-worthy soundcards/speakers. a dell with a stock sound card and desktop speakers will certainly sound worse than what comes out of my computer which is a medium-grade audio card, plugged into a 5.1 receiver with 100w stereo speakers and an 8" sub

i am all for vinyl, i think it's cool, and i am thinking about buying one, but if you want to compare apples to apples digital audio will always be capable of "sounding better" because of the limitless space for audio information in the files
carlsnow  
25 Mar 2010 11:25 | Quote
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gx1327 says:
as for the vinyl vs. "digital" sound argument, it's all in your head. the problem is that the .mp3 format is a COMPRESSED format, meaning that it reduces file size by making some parts of the song redundant. i am perfectly happy with 128 kbps .mp3 files. i cannot tell the difference. However, some audio snobs trade in 356 kbps and higher .mp3s, some even use what's called FLAC audio which is a lossless audio copy. the truth is, you can fit more audio information into a digital file because you are only limited by the file size. on a vinyl disc you are limited by the format -- how much can the head read, how much can you fit on a disc?


I can dig parts of what your saying BUT vinyl does have far better bass response than CD ... I know that’s a contentious argument, even now with CDs getting better treatment (we used to just toss the tape onto CD) than previously.
I do enjoy my CDs and, Failing that Flac and MUST use MP3 for such stuff as will be sold via ITunes and the like.
BUT
My 'side trade' to Git-Teaching (lol, i say "side" do to being pushed out by many 'in-housers') for year is/was Mastering CDs for Sony/JVC(Japan), Moonjune(Germany) and other labels from huge to tiny .. Mainly Jazz stuff such as a Tribute To Jaco(Pastorius) and Soft Machine(Holdsworth et-al) Live and such. Its getting damned hard to find a Mastering job that wont make me compromise my integrity as a music lover (cause, LOL! 10 years of "Mersh work"(Scoring) isn’t , lol, selling yer soul, is it?..oh yeah..it IS! LOL!)
The big push these days is "to be louder than that other song", via insane brick-wall limiting in post-post-production. I mean hell, the larger labels i deal/dealt with PRE-Brickwall their MIXes! No kidding! Its a SIN i say a SIN! ...Then they want it !!!LOUDER!!! Than LOUD! Effectively negating any chance of hearing Dynamic Range; Case in Point = That last Metallica CD .. Brick-Walled not once, not twice but yes...THREE times (Carl bangs head on the same wall he's screaming at) it’s maddening, but "The Loudness Wars" as we have dubbed them, are 'on' and I want no part of it.

gx1327 says:
maybe BUT, you also have to admit that as the technology progresses it becomes more tolerant. what i mean is that the first generation of CD players and CDs were very fickle. do you remember when you first held a CD? you were extra precious with it because heaven forbid you should marr the mirror-like, perfect finish on the recorded side of the disc. the slightest imperfection would lead to an unreadable CD.


Yes & No
Yes; the first player we got at ‘Music Isle’, (where I worked post ‘Jungle’, same folks) was a Dennon. It was fickle as hell, side loading, and was abhorrently pricey back then in (guessing) 1985 or so, almost 3-grand if I recall.. That’d be over 5-grand today (whoa!)
BUT
No
, the CDs were of wonderful indestructible quality (same ‘Thick went Thin’ timeline as LPs) back then—In fact we, and I’m guessing all, were visited by label-reps who would hold public In-Store “CD demonstrations” wherein they would allow the assembled skeptic audiophiles to do such things as take a key and scratch the surface or toss/skid the cd play-face down along the sidewalk outside and then play it. We had ditched the Dennon for either a Luxman or Nachamici or Sony(N.A.Philips) or something and these tortured CDs would play flawlessly. The “inside job” being pulled was that CIRCULAR or RADIAL scratches would skip (thus we avoided them) but anything not circular(which = a LOT) would. We did this many times back when CDs hung on the wall next to headphones and accessories… way back.
BUT these CDs where sturdy and made with the audiophile in mine *(and priced as such at 25 bucks each 1985)
Still, I can play my ancient Prestige Rec(JP) copy of (Miles Davis) ‘Bags Groove’ though it now resembles a scouring pad. Newer Cds? .. Ya look at ‘em wrong and they skip.

gx1327 says:
the differences can be 60 megs for an album, or 250 megs for an album, or 600 megs for an album. which one is going to sound better? well comparing vinyl to the 60 meg vesion and the 600 meg version might be completely different.


Definitely … and Virgin vinyl (as in the 60’s & early-70’s) is used to make these premium platters.

gx1327 says:
also you have to admit that most PCs are hooked up to less-than-worthy soundcards/speakers. a dell with a stock sound card and desktop speakers will certainly sound worse than what comes out of my computer which is a medium-grade audio card, plugged into a 5.1 receiver with 100w stereo speakers and an 8" sub


Yes home stereo has seemingly gone the way of the dinosaur – a PC playing music through crap will sound like crap 10 times outta 10, we agree on that 100% it seems

For Mastering work or ‘Critical Listening’ I use (Cross check not parallel) A Pair of Roland DS-90’s fed optically via either an Alesis Or M-Audio(depending) sound-card. I Cross Check these with an insanely pampered matched-pair of original Yamaha NS-10’s fed by a very quiet, yet warm Crown Tube Amp
Downstairs, for “casual listening” (or whatever ya call, lol, not mixing, etc), I use a pair of Paradigm’s and a Luxman Tube Amp.
My wife bought a 6.1 Onkyo thang that “goes with” (said , lol , the sales guy…UGH) the Flatscreen. 5.1, 6.1 whaterver .1 I don’t dig it at all, and I hate subwoofers(false bass lame crossovers etc) BUT I gotta admit its kay for a movie. I just cant understand (not saying this is YOU at all) anyone wanting to listen to anything purely musical in 5.1. Unless of course it was recorded and mixed that way. Still; 50’s Miles in 5.1 …LOL noooo thanks.

But yes, Folks buy to hear in their own environments etc. If all I had was a laptop I’d likely be a … no , wait, I wouldn’t.
And don’t get me started on IPods and Headphones (eeeek!) .. I have a 50 dollar Sandisc Flac player I take to the Gym every day but that’s it, lol, and that’s just so I don’t have to watch/hear Opera or Faux ‘news’ while I run or lift….

gx1327 says:
i am all for vinyl, i think it's cool, and i am thinking about buying one, but if you want to compare apples to apples digital audio will always be capable of "sounding better" because of the limitless space for audio information in the files


Well (24/48-96khz)DVD audio may come closest but, while I agree, in part, with what yer sayin’, and understand the angle (I think) yer takin’ Vinyl has a leg-up on digital due to a carved flow of imaged/carved sound waves that, while coming close enuff to remain unnoticed, 1’s and 0’s cannot reproduce.
But, at that stage its like ya said: “apples to apples”

Great points, all, gx1327 !

RAWK!
Cs


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