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Band Promotion
sslug  
23 Feb 2010 08:15 | Quote
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Does anyone know of a sh*t hot manager thats looking for a rock band.... in the UK.. Or a sweet band promoter???

Or nexxt weeks winning lottery numbers....
JustJeff  
23 Feb 2010 09:42 | Quote
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Pick 4 is 7, 22, 13, 48

Don't know if that will help you at all though... I tried!
guitarmastergod  
23 Feb 2010 16:44 | Quote
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can you not make silly threads plez
les_paul  
23 Feb 2010 16:47 | Quote
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what's silly about looking for a band manager?
sslug  
24 Feb 2010 09:40 | Quote
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The 1st part was serious we are looking for a manager... second was a long shot at wealth.....
deefa  
24 Feb 2010 09:54 | Quote
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Brian Epstein's not doing much at the moment but you'll need a damn good weegie board to get hold of him!
carlsnow  
24 Feb 2010 13:37 | Quote
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les_paul says:
what's silly about looking for a band manager?


unless you are on a tour of 2k + cap venues they are simply another hole in the wallet...

here's some advice from an olden fvker who's been through the Manager, Promoter, Label-PR-guy etc, thang a time or 50 (lol)

Unless you have an album out and are playing 600 to 2k venues a manager will only get in the way, ** at the FOH-soundman, the Stage-soundman, the Merch-guys and anyone else--it makes him look busy and makes you miserable in Wyoming or (oh god) Cleveland.
and you get to pay for this lol

a Promoter is good if you are new to an area BUT unless you are pulling enough cash to pay for room, board, food, AND the aforementioned promoter he is dead weight.

Labels are worse (i wont get into that as i don't wanna have a heart attack)

a great axiom for all who tour (or tour regionally) :
>If you can do it yourself do it yourself<
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Expect:
the soundman to be drunk -- the monitors blown and/or dysfunctional, Merch-guy will skim money-- the (clubs AND venues) 'door-man' is skimming money -- you will never get a decent monitor mix -- if the soundcheck is at 7pm expect the soundman to arrive 1-hr before the show, drunk – the SM58 you are singing into (why I bring my own) will smell like a deli-tray and have dangerous fungi growing in it – load-in will be uphill – load-out will be uphill as well, -- the van or bus will break down at LEAST twice -– the ‘nice accommodations’ you were promised will be someone’s couch---I could go on but I’d just get depressed.

My advice:
Be yer own Promoter/Manager. Invent a fake name and use it. Learn the world of negotiation and travel from a ‘booking’ standpoint like it was the art of walking. Never use stage-hands, if you’re pompous enough (not saying YOU are just generalizing) to imagine that you need a ‘roadie’ or tech .. yer insane. You will need 1 extra man in the band who plays nothing but the Van or Bus and watches the door, the Merch etc, and can kick the soundman’s asss lol.

In THIS economy its even worse.
(I aint touring past a 200 mile radius this year, and at 44, don’t mind that at all – I’ve already put in my dealing with a-holes time.)
Some booked shows will become un-booked for no reason: roll with it
Some owners will not want to pay up (I'm serious) so the 1 extra man you hired should be physically fit, not just to drive but to kick some butts as well .. This brings us to a VERY important piece of gear , the sawed-off baseball bat (I like aluminum, my bassist swears by wood) because many times the a-hole owner will have his door guy etc watching his back.

Now back to the promoter.
Like I said, make one up and use him/her .. it really works, we did a series of dates with Fugazi and they had the same , lol, ‘manager’ as us...them lol.
In their case (and ours at the time) we made enough bank to have out 1-extra guy double as our soundman and we traveled with two (all that would fit) wedge-monitors and a board so that we knew if (50% of the time) the monitor mix sucked we could count on ours to deliver the vocal, Kick, and R-Git (all ya need)

If ya wanna line up a tour try “gig swapping” I hear its all the rage these days … you befriend a few bands in a few cities and open for them on the promise that they will open for YOU or your turf. This provides a built in crowd.
To build that crowd, play that bar/venue as much as possible each year … soon you will headline there (if they like ya) ..most likely with the band you gig-swapped with.

Get to know all the college radio stations, they LOVE out-of-towner's and will be your greatest asset along with your CD, online EPK, www-yourband-site (owners do NOT look at MySpace etc, none that I’ve run into)

MOST important advice other than ‘have FUN’ =
If there are only 20-50 or less people in the club-etc play like you are playing in Radio City Music Hall to a SRO crowd! Then GO BACK
-> case in point : in the late 80’s or early 90’s (I lol forget which band/year) we played to about 15 people in (I think) Johnson City TN … there was NO promotion. No Posters (all we had back then) NO radio spot, NO nothing… BUT we had “the regulars” and we played about 15 min before my bassist (now my bassist again) Scott said: “hey, we all know that this is a small affair so in that spirit why don’t we ALL have some fun!? .. we’ll put money out for each of you grab a beer ‘on us’ and we will have a 2 hour party with nothing in mind but fun and fine rock n roll IF YOU will tell all your friends about it!” (cheers) “so are we on!?” … we went back and played to a capacity crowd the following month.

So all in all a manager , IMNSHO, at this stage would best be a friend (large if poss) who has a knowledge of gear, driving and butt-kickin’ (if need be)

And
The Promoter should be YOU …with the web up and CDs to send you can pump a gig, a tour, a small tour, whatever y7ourselves and save a boatload of hassle and cash.

Damn … dint mean ‘t rant hahaha
Oh well

Hope that helps

RAWK!
Cs


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Ozzfan486  
24 Feb 2010 15:24 | Quote
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I saved that on my comp dude. GREAT informational post. I love hearing tour stories haha.
carlsnow  
24 Feb 2010 16:10 | Quote
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Ozzfan486 says:
I saved that on my comp dude. GREAT informational post.


thats a very very kind compliment, Ozz, i'm glad you found interest and information in it.

and i agree about road-stories, lol, its been damn near 30 years to the day since i first started gigging' then gigging' a lot, then touring-etc(and on and on) -- no matter how the crowd grows or shrinks there are always great (true) tales of adventure to be told , while laughing preferably, amongst fellow OLD(tuning either 44 or 45 this Saturday so...hahaha) musician friends and acquaintances. and i feel lucky to have both mine and that of many of the aforementioned friend/Bro's and his(or her in a few cases) band to share back and forth with. (had a friend that toured with that whiny-ass Ryan Adams and those stories of his made me laugh so damn hard i couldn't breath! [i think its Adams ...he was in Whikeytown]
and some simply-amazingly 'cool as hell' accounts of greatness in action that simply must be shared with other musician-afflicted folks(so this next ones fer you Ozz)IE: an old friend o' mine whose band used to open for us 'moved to LA to make it big' and actually DID hahaha he told me of engineering(2nd chair not prime) the latest (or one before , i forget) Tom Petty record and spilled it that he (Tom) had this really neat (why i'm sharing it) idea about Micing the ROOM ... not like a 'room mic' lol but a lot like 'as many as the board(s) would hold' Mic scheme where he put SM57's EVERYWHERE (like 40 or so, he said) and sat back as Nick (the friend) and his boss ran through channel by channel picking some as keepers and muting some till he whittled it down to , lol, 20 or so. It was his (pretty damn good imo) way of EQing the room BEFORE everyone was 'close-mic'ed. I'm not really a Petty fan, but stories like that are priceless.
The Road stories are even better BUT honestly the 'with famous band' and 'at famous bar / hall' stories are trumped massively by the 'one time at Antone's (ex-bar in Austin TX) or 'we were at this armpit town in Ohio when...' tales of woe and joy.

thanks again Suh!
and remember to....RAWK!

RAWK!
Cs


sslug  
26 Feb 2010 10:46 | Quote
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Ha ha road stories are ace.... cant beat them even the ones you hated at the time but you can laugh later....

Thanks for the advice CS.. we have been doing a lot on our own {between5 of us} but it all seems like there are more dead ends than opening doors.. all a fair bit disheartening at times......
TheEbida  
26 Feb 2010 18:45 | Quote
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@carlsnow.... Dude you spew nothing but good advise...
Mici  
27 Feb 2010 05:35 | Quote
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Wow.
Now that was some good reading material right there. Thanks a lot, Carl. You RAWK.


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