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Apolloshredder  
4 Aug 2009 18:50 | Quote
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ok, I have been playing for around 11 years now...I have played in numerous bands, even backed people signed from Nashville...AS a rhythm player. I cannot get better as a lead player, I practice and get frustrated, Because I will spend hours practicing and still sound terrible on lead! I go to guitar center or somewhere and pray no one is in there, and I have played for thousands of people at a time....is this guitar players block?!...also this may sound weird but, I never learned Theory playing guitar, I picked guitar up myself and just started playing, when I look at circle of fifths or theory I get lost and even more pissed.
JazzMaverick  
4 Aug 2009 19:05 | Quote
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Well first thing is to chill

music is supposed to be fun, if you're not enjoying it then, honestly, it probably isn't for you. If you still do have fun out of it and are just facing what i like to call "the wall" we musicians face all the time then just get back to breaking the wall down.

Theory is very very helpful, and like anyone else, you can start at anytime. It might be a little more confusing to you though since you've spent so long playing by ear, which isn't a problem either.

If you've been signed and do backing and play infront of sh!t loads of people like you have, then you're honestly fine, just a serious critique like most of us are. The important thing is to not let it hinder you and pull you back.

The point is to constantly improve, really we only have enough time to pat ourselves on the back and get back to work because there's just so much to learn and do.

Also, if you think you're so bad at being lead, maybe you're just better off being backing and perhaps add some singing? Everything has it's role to play.
Nightmare  
4 Aug 2009 19:18 | Quote
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I have a question, what are the differences between rhythm and lead? is it that the rhythm plays most of the riffs while the lead play some solos and stuff I mean I need some details
guitarmastergod  
4 Aug 2009 21:03 | Quote
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in metal there are melodic lines sometimes that are 1 octave higher and when the guitars harmonize the lead plays the harmonized parts, that and the lead solos also
RA  
4 Aug 2009 21:43 | Quote
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@nightmare i was going to write something but why when somebody else has said it better

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhythm_guitar

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead_guitar


Apolloshredder says:
I never learned Theory playing guitar


I'm mean this in all respect but that's your problem. I know alot of people have done it by ear but after 11 years I sorry but the ship has sailed. So now it's time to hit the books unfortunately all the good books i know need some basic theory and to read notation
RA  
4 Aug 2009 21:45 | Quote
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JazzMaverick says:
Also, if you think you're so bad at being lead, maybe you're just better off being backing and perhaps add some singing? Everything has it's role to play.


That's a incredibly good point as well and a lesson some people have trouble with
Apolloshredder  
5 Aug 2009 17:43 | Quote
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yea and for everyone I have backed I sing for..I can learn solos and stuff no problem and play them just fine. Its just the making up stuff on the spot and theory I cannot grasp. I appreciate all of your inputs.
JazzMaverick  
5 Aug 2009 18:28 | Quote
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That takes a lot of time, just keep playing backing tracks, play your solos over and over constantly playing a new idea. It's just down to practice really.
J05H  
5 Aug 2009 23:49 | Quote
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well killswitch doesnt have a lead cuz they switch around
JazzMaverick  
6 Aug 2009 08:14 | Quote
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That doesn't help Apollo at all.
highonbodominflames  
6 Aug 2009 09:11 | Quote
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I would say take a break. you never realy know how much you love playing until you go without. that way it will let your fourarm muscles rest up. and your ideas will flow better.
carlsnow  
6 Aug 2009 10:31 | Quote
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you are simply 'over-thinking things' .. slow down , enjoy.
AlexB  
6 Aug 2009 16:23 | Quote
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If You Cant go Lead,be a KILLER Rythm Player,they're more valued and more searched of...
Nightmare  
7 Aug 2009 12:41 | Quote
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RA says:
@nightmare i was going to write something but why when somebody else has said it better

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhythm_guitar

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead_guitar


Thanks, I should have searched have searched in wikipedia before asking.
raptorclaws  
7 Aug 2009 23:09 | Quote
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If you spend a part of that frustrating practice time learning music theory you'll be much further ahead.

After 40 years of playing the guitar I don't need anyone to teach me 'how' to play a song but I sure pay attention to the way they 'approach' a song. That's where theory and creativity come in. I learn something new every day on Youtube listening to someone 'explain' a song. One can take a common rock song that's been played a million times and, with a little bit of theory, add a new dimension to it.

Also, we all instinctively play a certain way. I'm not a fast player so I'll substitute a few chords or even change the key of a song to let me make my changes quicker. When I was a young lad I'd spend hours with my fingers in some wierd contortion trying to play some impossible chord...today I just say the heck with it and 'do it my way' using a bit of theory.

When playing in a group, you'll find you're of much added value if you can plough through some obstacle in the arrangement by drawing on your knowledge of music theory.
telecrater  
7 Aug 2009 23:23 | Quote
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Hey Apolloshredder, not sure what kind of music you play but i think Carl said it best "over-thinking things" just slow down.

Now is sounds like your theory challenged so spending some time with music theory will help some things.

now to slow things down even more take a very simple progression like a 12 bar blues in E or something, and play some pentatonic scales over it and see if you can create some leads and solo's from that.

I've said it before but i used blues you can use to really get me into lead playing. I didn't really even like the blues but the author is really good at explaining rhythm, scales and the tieing it all up with a solo.
punkrawk101  
8 Aug 2009 00:20 | Quote
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carlsnow says:
you are simply 'over-thinking things' .. slow down , enjoy.!


This says it. It is a neverending journey through knowledge. Take some basic guitar classes even if it is far below your skills. It never hurts to get back to the basics. Knowing what you know now you may find something that you missed the first time around. Everyone learns in different ways but once i hit my "wall" after playing by ear for 10 years i went back to begin learning theory again. Now that i have a greater understanding of the science behind playing my guitar it makes it easier for me to play faster, more advanced music as well write my own. So in short, like everyone else said, LEARN THEORY!

Nightmare  
8 Aug 2009 04:54 | Quote
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I hear that all musicians gets a "initial creativity block". The best thing to do is walk away from your instrument and just come back rather than trying harder because it just doesn’t work, but i don't know if that's true.
deefa  
10 Aug 2009 07:28 | Quote
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There is more than one kind of lead guitarist out there Apollo, and I can't help noticing that you've added 'shredder' to the end of your handle. I don't know if that was significant but maybe, like me, you're not built for the high speed stuff. I'm quite old and slow but I still consider myself to be a fairly good all round 'melodic' guitarist. I'll never be a Blackmore or a Malmsteen but I can still play some really good tunes with loads of feeling. Maybe look at broadening your horizons? Just a thought. Good luck anyway!
sev121993  
14 Oct 2009 17:05 | Quote
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You may want to try playing good. Sometimes it really helps.
apollos  
14 Oct 2009 21:41 | Quote
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highonbodominflames says:
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i agree wiht this guy cuz i have bene playing for four months and i took a brief break and i came bak better than ever. im more creative and rdy for music theory!
Evan  
15 Oct 2009 02:27 | Quote
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Bro, you gotta chill out. Just listen to ideas in your head and draw from your influences.

Domigan_Lefty  
15 Oct 2009 16:24 | Quote
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If you teach yourself how to play, and you cant learn to play solos, you either seek professional help, or you play Rhythm guitar.
Rhythm guitarists are dying out! Everyone wants to play lead. Keep us alive! Rhythmist Power!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BodomBeachTerror  
15 Oct 2009 16:49 | Quote
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you can learn to play solos if you teach yourself, (special thanks to the internet!) but you will learn alot faster with a proper teacher
apollos  
17 Oct 2009 23:46 | Quote
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i learn to play solos by playing solos form other songs and then coming up wiht my own


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