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Gill555  
2 Aug 2009 01:45 | Quote
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You are Dumb patleh.
Guitarslinger124  
2 Aug 2009 04:17 | Quote
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Part of an essay I found written by a black man:

"When rap music first came about in america it was seen as a form of entertainment for youths in black inner city neighborhoods. Hanging out with friends and rapping or listening to others rap kept black youths out of trouble in the dangerous neighborhoods in which they lived. So basically the dominant culture did not have a type of music that filled the needs of these black youths so they decided to create a new style of thier own."
Rap was created by black people for black people back in the day Patleh. The fact that white people started to catch on and integrate themselves into that part of the black culture should be considered as a compliment to black people. Especially at that time because there was still open racism in effect.
Metal is predominatly a white genre of music and was created by rebel white youth when punk didn't quite cut it. Would it be fair to say that a black person who does not like metal is racist against white people? Certain people, regardless of race, creed or religion, like certain types of music and they are entitled to not like other types of music. Sure, rap started out as a part of black culture, and it still is very much today part of black culture, however, it has now also become part of white culture and there is nothing wrong with that at all. There is also nothing wrong with white people not like rap.
We as people have the right to like or dislike anything we want to. I like cool aid but I don't like grape soda, I like BBQ chicken but I don't like fried chicken...I hope you see where I was going with that. In case you didn't: cool aid, grape soda and fried chicken are all stereotyped as being part of the black culture. Sure a lot of black people like rap, cool aid, grape soda and fried chicken, but a lot of white people do as well. I happen to not like two out of those four things, does that mean I am only half racist? Or does that just mean I am a hypocrite?
The first soldier in my chain of command happens to be black. I work along side him everyday for 13 hours a day and not once did I stop and think, 'wow I'm working with a black man'. I think most white people wouldn't stop to think about what it's like to work with a black man/woman because it is no different than working with a white man/woman. This soldier happens to also be a very good friend of mine oh yea and when we drive to work everyday he always has rap playing on the stereo and half the time I can't stand the music but somehow I'm still good friends with this soldier and have no problem working with him or listening to his music just because I don't like it.
Everybody has different tastes in music, I like prefer metal over pop-rock, Jazz likes Jazz and classical music, phip likes the classic rock tunes and harleyofdoom says he listens to plenty of rap.

Do you like rap patleh? Do you dislike rap? The answer to either of those questions should have been the only thing you typed in this thread. Accusing me of being racist is obscene partly because I'm not, and partly because I fight for the freedoms of the American people; American people include black people. Accusing everyone else in this forum of being racist is not only obscene but ignorant as well.
carlsnow  
2 Aug 2009 06:56 | Quote
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@patleh

that (all yer posts on the subject) seem terribly misinformed, and to call others bigots due to not liking "rap" is sadly shallow.

case in point:
i love Hank Williams Sr, George Jones, Jimmy Reed, Jimmy Rodgers -etc...

but i despise the auto-tuned/melodyn-ed sickness folks call 'country' these days ..think Kenny Chesney - Tricia Yearwood - etc...
IMO they suck.

SO (since the early 80's or so) when asked, i say :
"that she-it F'in sucks!" ...
does this mean i hate white-folks, Bubba?
i need to know cause, well, i'm 3/4 "white"
(the rest is Ink and Creek-"Indian")
so ...
i reckon that if i hate white folks , the redskin in me would beat the she-it out of the white in me ... leaving some flesh for the ink to kill, of course.

"...tons of 'white-boy' guilt, thats my problem; obstacle to joy, one reason for usin' drugs...' - d. Boon (Minutemen)

PS:
if you wanna insult me again , please be a man about it and use your REAL NAME like i do.
Phip  
2 Aug 2009 07:31 | Quote
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An open letter to the people of the British Isles

Dear subjects of the Queen,
It is with great regret that I must inform you that I hate all the people of the British Empire! Unfortunately I must admit that I am a racist when it comes to you and your music. This unhappy truth has come to light since a forum member made it clear to me that since I hate the sound of bagpipes it logically follows that I must then hate all British subjects. I can’t think of a single song played on bagpipes that I like. The very sound of bagpipes makes me cringe. If I never hear the sound of bagpipes for the remainder of my life it will be too soon. And so, Jazzy, Heather, Doz, JCB, Afro, Nutter Blackholesun and all other members from the British Isles we can no longer be buddies! Yup, it’s true, I secretly hate you all. I have spent the last four hours throwing out all my Beatles, Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin and Herman’s Hermits albums since I obviously have been living a lie!
It’s a shame really since all of the blood flowing through my veins comes from Scotland, England, Ireland and Holland. It seems only logical then that I also hate myself.
I dislike bagpipes therefore I hate all people associated with bagpipes.
Also at this time I would like to inform the people of Eastern Europe that I can’t hang out with you guys either since I really can’t tolerate polka music. I thought I liked you people but evidently I don’t.
For Sale: Slightly used albums that I don’t like anymore since I have become a racist;
Marvin G*ye
The Drifters
Earth Wind and Fire
Etta James
Sam Cooke
B.B. King
Albert King
All Motown artists
James Brown
Tons of Blues albums
Jackie Wilson
Aretha Franklin
Ok, wait this has gone far enough………….Offer rescinded! I’m not giving up a single one of these albums. I love them all too much. I don’t know if I am indeed a racist but I can assure you if I am it has NOTHING to do with my taste in music.
Patleh your logic is flawed and I think you owe some people here an apology. It is true that the world is full of racists and it may be the worse part of human nature but your arguement is not logical.
Phip
Empirism  
2 Aug 2009 07:58 | Quote
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Ahhahaha, now I see that even talking 'bout rap get you in trouble XD.

So If I dont like white man rapping, it makes me racist?...err.. If I like Blues, but do not like rap it makes me semi racist?... errr... or If I listen to White man Funk it makes me no racist or maybe if I listen but dont like rap and like blues, but do not like black man playing funk it makes me an semi neurotic wanna be racist? errr... I think Im staying music loving idiot Finnish rather than a Man who categorize people and their behaviours by music they like/dont like.

Man...yeah Patty, you got your point, but be open for people corrections rather than freaking out with too much beer in head :P.

Empirism.


Man...by what friggin demon makes me reply to this post... xD
patleh  
2 Aug 2009 13:22 | Quote
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i see i have been to aggressive with this. LEt me make re make my point. I'm not saying all people are racist just because they don't like a certain type of music but when you write off a whole genre by saying that it sucks, or that it is trash and it has no value, then you are being a bigot because everything has value, and if that genre or culture is identified with a certain race then you are racist. so no guitarslinger i'm not calling you racist
Empirism  
2 Aug 2009 13:49 | Quote
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Eh...no. Let me twist this with wire. Definition of racism is "hostile or oppressive behaviour towards people because they belong to a different race"

or better one.

"Racism is the belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race" based on (Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary. 2009-03-16. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism. Retrieved on 2009-03-16)

So, consept racism is for race, not racial music or anything else, its just for race. So therefore you cant say people racist even if he say that whole genre of music sucks even if whole genre is identified for some race, but ones dislike is for music not race.

I personally dont take your opinion as offend or accusation and you can say or believe what you noted before, but I know as well as others that its not correct.

Im off
Empirism

patleh  
2 Aug 2009 14:10 | Quote
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Well my definition of racism is hostile behavior towards a people and their culture. Don;t know where you got yours from but i got mine from my encylopedia.
JazzMaverick  
2 Aug 2009 20:50 | Quote
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How old are you again? 4? Yeah, thought so. You're the definition of a douchbag. YOU have told us in many other posts that you don't like certain genres therefor you're eating your own words.

Have we once said black people suck?! Have we even said we're better than them?? NO

Everyone here is telling you you're wrong! Why can you not just accept it?

And while you're at it: how about READING this topic from the beginning!

This is a FORUM, where we give our opinions in a nice and sensible mannor!!
JazzMaverick  
2 Aug 2009 21:03 | Quote
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Imagine saying to a group of blacks that the person over there is racist... then they take the matters into their own hands and beat the sh!t out of this person within an inch of their life. But this person isn't racist, and this person will be eating food through a straw for the rest of their life THANKS TO YOU!

Does this make sense now!?

You obviously don't understand how serious such an accusation is. Nor do you understand how rude you are for pushing the matter.

You need to apologise.
AlexB  
2 Aug 2009 21:42 | Quote
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With all Respect,patleh,You're an idiot
toastninja  
2 Aug 2009 21:48 | Quote
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I think the smart and reasonable thing to do here would be for everyone to get ahold of themselves, stop pointing the finger trying to prove who is right or wrong, and just let this topic die out.
patleh  
2 Aug 2009 21:52 | Quote
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Jazz i said i didn't like other genre's but i didn't say i didn't respect it. Why are you yelling at me for giving my opinion in a bad manner there have been many people telling me i'm an idiot, dumb, stupid when they could simply and nicely say that they disagree with me. And it's 15 actually!
JazzMaverick  
2 Aug 2009 23:55 | Quote
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Look, you're completely missing the point... You've accused far too many members of being something they're clearly not... It's the general fact that you have insulted half of the regulars on this forum!

You clearly don't like being called an idiot or anything else, so why do you think that we would like to be called something we too are not? Mind you; being called a racist is far more serious.

Can you really not understand why these members, including myself, are upset?

These topics are just general chat, for fun, and for random discussions - they're obviously not for a fight. Since you are looking for one; you better go somewhere else to do it because no one here enjoys what you're saying.
Empirism  
3 Aug 2009 08:30 | Quote
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Yes yes dear fellows, I suggest that even if patleh (I consider 15 year teenager that is very young without much experience of life) accused you or other members (which they should not taken as accusation, because the reason I mentioned), you people should act more maturely and not use offencive words against him, rather than guiding him maturely. Its no use to patleh nor you.

I promised me that I dont reply to this anymore, but I felt I had to.

@Patleh

Like all resources in life, there are many encyclopedias, dictionaires, topics, opinions, rumours... you nor me cant decide which those is true, but Encyclopedia Britannica says following:

"any action, practice, or belief that reflects the racial worldview—the ideology that humans are divided into separate and exclusive biological entities called "races," that there is a causal link between inherited physical traits and traits of personality, intellect, morality, and other cultural behavioral features, and that some races are innately superior to others"

You can see there words like, physical traits, personality, morality and other cultural behavioral features. But still the consept and object for this substance is race.

I give you an example, there are nations that allow people eat dogs, I dont personally accept that, but it doesnt mean that I hate all those people because of their cultural reasons that for me is not acceptable. Its their culture, not race or people.

I give you another, There is nations that tramble women rights (rights that I learned to respect), but these other cultures its normal that they tramble woman rights. Again I dont blame those people, those mens, those races... but that culture. Its not make me racist, because I respect those people and races other reasons, but write off their culture, because its traits are for me unacceptable.

I deeply hope that you understand that your formed opinion in this case is not correct and re-think whole thing with information and experience we gave to you. Also you are not standing on solid ground on this.

Also I hope that you Jazz, AlexB, Carl and others have more mature way to handle people that are still young with understanding even their outbursts and insubordinate behaviours upset you. these outbursts should taken relaxed and not taken as accusation and have patience to guide him to right way.

Peace
Empirism
harleyofdoom  
3 Aug 2009 08:42 | Quote
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hahaha we should change the name of this post to lets argue about racism. If you work by the simple moral equations laid out below i think it'll all be ok:

racism = bad
wrongly accusing people of racism = bad
not liking or liking rap music = neither good nor bad (its a question of taste not race)

stay on subject people
Phip  
3 Aug 2009 10:54 | Quote
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@Emperism,
As usual you are 100% correct! Better that we should calmly show our young friend the error of his premise. And so I'll apologize for this remark
Phip says:
In other words; go screw yourself!

@ Patleh,
At the time you posted your first comment 15 people expressed a like of rap in general or some form of rap or some specific artist. Only three people expressed an absolute dislike of the genre. Sooooo the comment you made
patleh says:
whoever doesn't listen to rap is a racist and doesn't like black people! ** anybody who doesn't like rap!
was off base to say the least and designed to be highly insulting not to mention completely illogical.
patleh says:
WTF is wrong wiht you racist people your a bunch of bigot dummassesss
shows an strong desire to ellicit negative comments in your direction and as you can see it worked! Congadulations, you managed to take what could have been an interesting subject for debate and turn it into a fist fight!
Other than a few direct attacks against you the majority of respondents have tried to point out the irrational nature of your premise and I think Emperism has stated his case best of all.
Musical or artistic tastes are subjective (a matter of personal tastes) and in no way indicate a racial bias. You either like it or you don't(as is the case in so many areas of life). My guess is that there are many black people who don't care for rap music. If you want proof just spend a week surveying the black community of all ages and see what results you get. I'm not sure what your motive was for your comments but as you can see nobody here seems to agree with you so I suggest that you rethink your basic concept.
Phip
carlsnow  
3 Aug 2009 12:06 | Quote
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@Empirism
of anything that could be taken harshly, all i said to the boy was :
"if you wanna insult me again , please be a man about it and use your REAL NAME like i do. " .. and i'll stand by that. if yer gonna insult someone; do it with honor, not anonymity. i'd rather he learn that lesson online than off, dig?

@Empirism
...but...
you , as Phip mentioned, are 100% "right" (BUT IMO only within an informed context).
so it's 50% "right" here ,lol, due to my having the faintest idea he is just a kid...
..and thus not having the ability to factor his age into my reply.

patleh  
3 Aug 2009 13:26 | Quote
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aight if you haven't realized yet this was a joke i would be the first one to say that it's fine if you don't like rap. Come on you think i'd really say everyone who doesn't like rap doesn't like black people that doesn't make any sense at all i was gonna just say it was a jpoke at the start but then you people started attcking so i though i'd have some fun. BTW i do occasionally enjoy some rap but it has to be real rap not superstars, locals i only like indie rap
Empirism  
3 Aug 2009 15:28 | Quote
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Yes Carl, you didnt knew and I didnt want to blame or anything even I mentioned your name there. I also didnt meant to name anyone particular person, but allaround to not take personally what people say and not get upset what ppl's say online...

Forgive this Finnish boy, my writings and poor english cause misunderstood many times before :)
Ozzfan486  
3 Aug 2009 15:42 | Quote
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patleh says:
aight


Oh the irony.
patleh  
3 Aug 2009 20:17 | Quote
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ozz i always talk ghetto
Nightmare  
8 Aug 2009 14:29 | Quote
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I'm not a fan of rap music, well I used to be a fan of some 90s rap,but a guy told me about this song and I like the lyrics.


patleh  
9 Aug 2009 20:50 | Quote
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I really love this song.
shreadhead96  
23 Aug 2009 11:20 | Quote
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i dont like rap much but i do like hip hop
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