# Scale question...

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 wufunk 29 Jun 2009 22:37 | Quote Joined: 29 Jun 2009Karma Hey, I'm trying to practice some scales, starting with C Major and I have a question. Say you're starting with the 1st fret on the B string so you have the root C, then you follow the next step to the 3rd fret on the B, for D, then go down and play open E, along with F and G, where do you go from there to finish out that octave of the scale? I'm use to the piano setup with each 12 semitones being an octave higher than the 12 before so I'm still trying to figure out how the scales work going up the fret board...I'm trying to do it by ear and I can tell the difference sometimes but, I would like some tips if possible. Thanks.
 JustJeff 29 Jun 2009 22:41 | Quote Joined: way backUnited States Lessons: 2Karma: 21 You'll go up to the 5th fret on the E string for an A, 7th fret for a B, and then the octave at the 8th fret for a C. There should be a lesson on this site about the CAGED system. That will teach you other scales to learn on the guitar. Of course, that may be jumping ahead: you may just want to give it a look. Hope that helps!
 wufunk 29 Jun 2009 22:54 | Quote Joined: 29 Jun 2009Karma Thank you for the very fast reply! So, let me get this straight... E|----0-1-3-5-7-8| B|1-3------------| G|---------------| D|---------------| A|---------------| E|---------------| That would be all in the same range/octave? For example if you played on a piano C Major starting from middle C and then went through the C,D,E,F,G,A,B,C...it's the same thing (although in different pitches possibly depending on the fret/root C you start with)?
 Admiral 30 Jun 2009 02:02 | Quote Joined: 10 May 2009Germany Lessons: 1Karma: 12 Well, i would in your position just look at a "map" of the fretboard. Its much easier, because figuring all out by ear will take longer. And yes, the notes you are playing are C,D,E,F,G,A,B and C again in this particular order. And yes again, its the same thing voer and over again, just a different octave.
 wufunk 30 Jun 2009 02:33 | Quote Joined: 29 Jun 2009Karma I'm trying to figure out some stuff now...what's the differences between some of the closer variations on the Chord Scale tool on this site? For example, http://www.all-guitar-chords.com/guitar_scales.php?qqq=+0&scch=C&scchnam=Major&get2=Get&t=0&choice=1 compared to http://www.all-guitar-chords.com/guitar_scales.php?qqq=2&scch=C&scchnam=Major&get2=Get&t=0&choice=1 ..There are some of the same notes in both so I get confused. Sorry, I'm just use to the way a keyboard is setup and obviously a very ignorant beginner in the way of the fretboard, lol. I appreciate the replies greatly though!
 JustJeff 30 Jun 2009 08:57 | Quote Joined: way backUnited States Lessons: 2Karma: 21 I don't want to bombard you with information, so I'll try to explain this to you as simple as possible. C major is a key, just like A minor is also a key. C major has many relative keys that have the same notes as it. For example, A minor has the same chords and notes as C major. When we play a scale, usually we start from the tonic. A tonic is the 1st degree of a scale, so in C major, the tonic is C. In A minor, the tonic is now an A. For any given key, there are 7 different notes. As well, there are also 7 different modes that you can play in. Each mode has the same notes to the relative keys, but starts on a different note (The tonic is different). So, for position 1, we are starting on an E, this is E Phrygian. E Phrygian is a relative mode of C Major, they have the same notes and chords, just a different tonic so everything will resolve differently. The 2nd position is G, which is G Mixolydian. The same applies here: The tonic is now a G instead of a C, but they are the same notes. Hopefully this doesn't confuse you too much. I would suggest reading up on Scale Structure and Chord structure, then move onto Modal theory. After that, all of this should make sense.
 Admiral 30 Jun 2009 09:18 | Quote Joined: 10 May 2009Germany Lessons: 1Karma: 12 Ye, JustJeff perfectly explained everything again! Modes and Scales and so on are very fine tools, but I did a very big mistake in this topic. I started learning all the stuff without knowing how to use it. If you thoroughly know how to use a simple Pentatonic scale, you can already pull of a great solo. The topic you are touching on is huge and many guitarists have spent their lifetime on it. So start simple and then move on!
 wufunk 30 Jun 2009 15:16 | Quote Joined: 29 Jun 2009Karma Ah, thank you for the detailed explanation. So, say you start on the 3rd fret of the A string for the root C and play the Major scale up the strings till you end up on first fret of B (another C), is that second C you hit still going to be played in the Ionian mode or will that be another mode? I'm having a hard time grasping the thought of knowing what root C to start on if you're wanting to play a certain range of note frequencies/octaves. Like, if I wanted to play every single possible C Major scale on the fretboard starting with 3rd fret A all the way to 13th fret B with all the pitches going in order as such they would on a piano. Sorry if this doesn't make sense, I hope it does though. Thanks again for wasting your time on me! haha ;)
 Admiral 30 Jun 2009 17:17 | Quote Joined: 10 May 2009Germany Lessons: 1Karma: 12 Well if you start from the C one octave above you are starting over again, so you basically are still playing "Ionian". You would only play another mode (lets take the Dorian mode (the one after Ionian)) You would have to play the Cmajor scale starting from D to the D one octave above, and resolve into a D instead of A C in the end of your phrase. And I dont think I understand your second question fully, but i think you are asking where the other notes up to the end of the fretboard for the C-Major scale are? Or not?..
 wufunk 30 Jun 2009 18:41 | Quote Joined: 29 Jun 2009Karma Yeah, that is what my second question is. I try looking at the C Major scale on the guitar scales part of this website, however I get confused as to what notes are suppose to be in that series of notes for a particular octave of C Major.