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Jeremy_Langford  
28 Nov 2006 15:11 | Quote
United States
Posts: 26
ok.................so I can find any any major and minor key and I also a have a list of chord variations that I can use to find any chord I want to.................But i dont have all of this memorized and I dont kno every position and way that a single chord can be played on the fretbored....................I mean I understand CAGED.................but there is countless ways to play a single chord that I dont have memorized............................Would this be a good soutiion to my problem???....................

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mightydave  
28 Nov 2006 15:53 | Quote
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Belgium
Karma: 2
you can also find long chord lists online, if you don't have a computer next to you most of the time i think it would be a good idea. Else use your computer
Moonlit  
28 Nov 2006 18:30 | Quote
United States
Posts: 85
There isn't really any point in buying online programs or lessons, because everything you'll ever need can be found for free. If you understand the CAGED system, you can find plenty enough chords for anything you wanted to do. There are lots of ways to play a chord on guitar, but your reach makes it impossible to do all of them. If you understand the CAGED system, and how to cunstruct chords, it's time to move on to Scales, Modes, and progressions.
Jeremy_Langford  
28 Nov 2006 20:34 | Quote
United States
Posts: 26
I understand scales, modes and progressions.....................but since its near impossible to kno every different sound u can get with one chord...........i figured that could know it all for me........that thing isnt an online program or lesson..........................its a handheld thing that tells u every way to play every chord on the fretboard................since its near impossible for me to remeber this myself............... i thought that would b a good thing to buy....................its almost like the guitar chords generator on this site................only handheld

How did u learn so much theory moonlit??...............u seem to kno about everything............are u a rich orchestra composer or somethin?
StringbendeR  
29 Nov 2006 14:09 | Quote
United Kingdom
Posts: 3
Hi Moonlit what is the caged system, and how does it work StringbendeR
CostacheCaragi  
29 Nov 2006 14:58 | Quote
United Kingdom
Posts: 61
If you understand how chords are built, its easy to workout which notes to include and create your own shapes, if you understand how modes and scales work, its easy to understand which notes will work well within particular chord within a progression, therefore you dont really have to memorise all the shapes of every chord in each position, just remember which notes/intervals each chord contains, thats much easier, and free
Moonlit  
29 Nov 2006 18:34 | Quote
United States
Posts: 85
It is possible to know what every type of chord will sound like. It will take time. I still say that any programs or the like for finding chords are a waste of money. If you really understand the CAGED system, you would have no use for them. Use google for the CAGED system. Cyberfret.com has a good explanation. Everything theory-wise I know, I learned for free on the internet, and from Walter Piston's "Harmony". It didn't take a week or a month, it took years. Don't expect to be able to understand even basic theory well, in less than a year of studying it. Usually people won't.
llynix  
1 Dec 2006 02:38 | Quote
United States
Posts: 22
It's just practice and memorisation. Here is where I'm at. I've played guitar for a decade now. When I started I pretty much learned a dozen open chords and a few barre chords. From there honestly you can play 80% of the pop stuff out there so for the next few years I was learning easy songs and improving my style and technique.

After a few years I started to get stale, I knew a couple of scales and probably a few hundred chords but I wanted something different.

So I took guitar lessons. Honest to god real person lessons. Which I really would recommend to anyone. Go to your local guitarshop and inquire. My local shop charged me 8 bucks for 30 mins. Every week I ended up spending about an hour (he always let me go over :) with a guy who taught me about a dozen licks. I did that for a few months and when it got to the point where we were trading licks back and forth I stopped. But just being around someone whose style was different opened my mind to many more possibilities.

I had wanted to learn some music theory during these lessons, but my teacher was about as knowledgable as I was. So for the next few years I still was empty in that respect but now I was getting to the point to where I could subconciously figure out what scale I was in. I got to where I could do little lead licks and chord variations that would sound good on the fly. If I played a few notes of a scale I could complete it by ear (and my fingers usually picked the right note every time)

So this is kind of disturbing, when your body does something without your concious knowledge it picks at you. So the last few years I've been reading up here and there about chord theory and scale theory etc.

I got involved with a band about a year ago, and learning to play and sing along with about 40 songs really pumped up my skills.

And then recently I noticed myself going stale again. So I opened up my website and that's when I've been pouring over the theory again. Finally a couple of days ago it all clicked and now I understand where the chords come from etc.

I'm really not sure how to figure out the key yet. But I still have so much to absorb I'm not worried about it.

I go over it all at work every night. Somewhere in a bar in Texas you'll find a bouncer writing out scales and chords on a napkin next to the door. I go over what scales I know, what scales I can derive from those, what chords I know. Where those chords are about the neck.

I look for patterns which I don't know that well. Recently I found out how to do an A chord like this : 54222x
which is a bit of a pain, but changes the voicing of the chord and makes it sound a little more bassier. This pattern is just a G chord moved up two frets. I also write out any chords/patterns I don't know the name of. Like the Cmaj7 I learned the name of the other day.

Then I'm also learning why we call chords what we call them. For example it isn't that hard to see what's happening during sus2/4 chords. (1-2-5/1-4-5) You can see the 2 and 4 right in the pattern.

There is so much to learn it will take my lifetime just to learn what there is to learn! And practice practice practice. Honestly I think it's more determining where you need help. Right now I'm working on my right hand picking technique, strengthening my hands for barre chord songs (they are out of shape and cramp up during a four minute song) and learning as much about theory as I can. I've also been working on memorizing every note on the fretboard.

Like the others I would recommend not wasting your money. You can find all of the information on the net. Any guitar videos I saw were only worth their licks and I would go the route of a real person because ask that dvd anything you want but it's not going to answer. There are quite a few books on guitar theory and technique that are probably worth it. But I honestly don't own any of them. I did once see a book which explained all the scales and modes quite nicely. Not something that I couldn't find on the net easily, but for a few bucks I wouldn't mind having it all nicely orginized and printed out. Unfortunatly I didn't have the money then and when I went back to the guitar store later they were out :(

Llynix - One man, one guitar, one website, one ditty a day.
Jack_ONeill  
19 Dec 2006 14:43 | Quote
United States
Posts: 15
Just learn the chords you need as you need them. If a song you want or need to learn has a new chord, learn it.

It's a good idea, however, to know all your basic Major/Minor open position chords. You should also know your E and A barre chords with minor and 7th variations, and your C major barre chord. That's a pretty good foundation that will get you through most songs. If you want to learn more, learn the sus2, sus4, dim, aug, maj7, 6th, and add9 variations for the E and A barre chords.


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