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Adah  
9 Feb 2009 00:52 | Quote
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So I started music on the violin when i was 9, i am 20 now and I have had a guitar with me or around me for the last 6 years...

I have had very little formal training on both instruments, however i have played the ** out of them.

My fingers are calloused I know the major and minor chords, i know that chords are basically note patterns that create keys

I know how to play on tempo, I know the several scales of the solfege, but I am still just a beginner... playing music i learned from tabs on ultimate guitar, trying to pick up singing and playing at the same time etc.

I am at a point where I feel like I am beating my head against a wall because im spending all this time learning the neck, while not learning how to make music.

so here is my question, I want to establish myself as a guitarist witha proper foundation.

How do i start? my plan was to learn Majors / Minors, and then their variations, while at the same time learning each of the scale sets.

but that still isnt making music, its learning notes and locations of notes... what do you guys recommend?


BodomBeachTerror  
9 Feb 2009 01:03 | Quote
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something that i do is make a melody in my head, then hum it, then find it on guitar, then build onto it. i would recommend learning scales, if you make a melody, you can find the scale and key its in, then it makes it much easier to build onto it
Adah  
9 Feb 2009 02:03 | Quote
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so think of the neck like a piano, use the scales and chords to create keys out of the notes, and then just simply play?

i can see the difference between playing tabs and knowing the reasons why you are making the sounds you are making, but... then where does the all of this music theory stuff come in, if a scale is ionian or aeolian or if a chord is diminished 7 or sus4...

is it all there to just categorize sound?
6StringEvil  
10 Feb 2009 06:40 | Quote
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Just play around on the Jam machine in this site... its fun and a good stress buster...
Welcome to the forum, by the way.
vincejonesiii  
11 Feb 2009 08:59 | Quote
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balance thoery and practice
Empirism  
11 Feb 2009 09:19 | Quote
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Welcome to the forum. Learning guitar techniques is different practice, but if you want to create your own music use this site chord progression tool and jam tool. Understandig triads and chord progressions is most important what have to do to making your own music. Believe me, Ive wrestled with the same problems too.

For the guitar technique, start with pentatonic scale and its modes. First major and then minor. Learn them well and leave the others later.

I could say that pentatonic scale is used most of every scales and can be used for I think atleast 70% of playing situations (not any fact, just speculation, but anyway...)

Cheers
Empirism
macandkanga  
11 Feb 2009 14:09 | Quote
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I bought a book called the Heavy Guitar Bible that changed everything for me when I was in your situation. In the begining it explains everything about what happens when you pluck a string, how it vibrates and makes sound, what happens when you cut that vibration in half and so on. In other words it explains "Theory" and makes sense of what your doing on the guitar and why.
Meister23  
17 Feb 2009 14:30 | Quote
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I was at your point for awhile, I would just fiddle around mindlessly playing scales and getting tabs off the internet. However, it got very boring. Relying on someone else s work to know how to play a certain song, one, is not very gratifying, and two, it leaves an absence I feel in the music that you play. My advice to you threefold. One is to start studying music theory, ie: how the notes you play on the guitar transform into already known melodic patterns and scales. Two, is to train your ear. This correlates to what Bodom said, start humming out melodies and try to play them on the guitar, and also instead of searching for the tab, try to figure out the song on your own and then check yourself. Another great way to train your ear is by going to musictheory.net and using the chord trainer there, and even the scale trainer when you get some theory under you. Lastly, my advice is to find a passion in it. Make playing not a chore but an enjoyment, it will be a lot easier to practice when you want to.

hope that helped
JazzMaverick  
17 Feb 2009 15:25 | Quote
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To truly make music, you have to learn it first. And learning is a VERY VERY long process. You've got a long ways to go, but I'm sure you'll be able to do it. I recommend you start learning how to read notation. Get lessons if you need to, but I think you'll pull it off really well.

Learning music is a never ending process, but it's so important that you keep it up. The neck is your best friend, so get to know it! :D

What music are you interested in? Either way, you should try and learn a song (for now) once a week, once you start to get to know the fret board better, you should then learn a song once a day.

While you're learning these songs you need to pick them apart and study them! Take a look at some lessons on here, but unfortunately, they're only for guitar, and not violin, although they have similarities. Don't give up on violin either man! It's a terrific instrument!


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