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Schoenberg's 12 tone method

Music Theory
Littlewing  
4 Dec 2008 21:24 | Quote
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Forgive me but I am very confused about this. What does this mean?
Dav_Palm  
4 Dec 2008 21:56 | Quote
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in a nutshell its writing a song that doesnt repeat the same note.Then you play it backwarss...kinda...i think.

This is heavy duty theory stuff. I tried wrapping my brain around it one time, and I came up with some very ugly aggressive stuff...but never truel used it correctly.
JazzMaverick  
5 Dec 2008 09:42 | Quote
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Basically the same thing I was going on about in my topic "The Matrix" The matrix can be used for 12-tone composition (music in the line of Schoenberg, etc).

If you are not into avant-garde music, I wouldn’t botter about this one.
blackholesun  
5 Dec 2008 10:34 | Quote
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The composer creates a "tone row", which is each of the 12 notes, not arranged in any order, and not repeating. They can then invert it, so a rising major 3rd becomes a falling major 3rd, etc, find the retrograde which is the tone row backwards, and the inverted retrograde which, as its name suggests is the retrograde inverted.

I didn't see your topic first time around (it was from when I didn't have the interwebs).

Like JM said, I wouldn't bother with this unless you were really into this kind of thing.

And talking of Matrices, do any of the IT-minded people on here know if it's possible to create a program (in C) to find the inverse of an NxN matrix?
JazzMaverick  
5 Dec 2008 11:17 | Quote
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Not that I know of... unless you were making the table, too. If you're trying to make one that's not on the internet, the best thing I'd suggest is the tables on Word or Powerpoint.

Otherwise just use www.musictheory.net and it does it with ease.
blackholesun  
5 Dec 2008 12:25 | Quote
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No, I meant a matrix, as in an array of numbers, and C as in the programming language. It's a computer science thing. Don't worry about it.
JazzMaverick  
5 Dec 2008 15:00 | Quote
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Yeah, I know I build computers. But I still don't think it's possible. I'll give it a go and find out for you.
Empirism  
7 Dec 2008 05:47 | Quote
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As far as I know, that can be calculated? yes? Im not familiar with this NxN thing, but that I know there are formulas for it. So when there is formulas for it and there can be done some calculations, it is possible to create a program for it.

I think that these kind of matrices never been found without mathematical thinking, so I believe that they also can be solved with mathematics.
RA  
10 Dec 2008 05:51 | Quote
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After 12 tone learn "The Lydian Chromatic Concept of Tonal Organization" then you'll be a genius


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