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Is an epiphone les paul worth it?

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Pager  
30 Sep 2008 09:36 | Quote
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ok, epiphone les paul custom, like 900 australian dollars. its only my second electric guitar so is it worth getting or saving for like another 3 years to reach 4,000? for a gibson
EMB5490  
30 Sep 2008 10:16 | Quote
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what guitar do you have now, instead of getting a custom, try out a standard, vs. a custom vs a plus top, try more than one, all guitars have diff sounds some shit and some gr8.
TheAmericanBrit  
30 Sep 2008 12:09 | Quote
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If you get a good one.
baudelaire  
30 Sep 2008 13:47 | Quote
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if your guitar right now is completely awful, the epi les paul will be a step up. but, once you become good, you will really want a gibson les paul, so keep saving after you get it...

if you score a tip top good one, it'll be a decent instrument, if it's not that lucky, it'll be a mediocre instrument. hint: epiphone pickups benefit GREATLY from being potted. no kidding. just do it.
TheAmericanBrit  
30 Sep 2008 14:23 | Quote
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I wouldn't save no $4,000 for a Gibson. Personally, I would go for an Alembic Skylark, Rickenbacker 330, or a Gretsch G5122.
league  
30 Sep 2008 17:46 | Quote
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If you like Les Pauls go for it. I would suggest a good amp instead.
TheAmericanBrit  
30 Sep 2008 18:09 | Quote
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True. A good amp can be the difference between a guitar that sounds great, and one that sounds ok.
EMB5490  
30 Sep 2008 19:31 | Quote
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good amp is better thts wut im getting, u may show off to all ur friends, but the amp is better in the long run.
Afro_Raven  
1 Oct 2008 06:59 | Quote
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Nope.
Littlewing  
1 Oct 2008 16:50 | Quote
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Buy it. What I usually do is when I buy and Epiphone crap, I'll put stock Gibson pickups in it, and put a decal on the headstock.
baudelaire  
1 Oct 2008 16:59 | Quote
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LOL...

you're not going to get the gibson fretboard though, which is in my opinion the best part of a real gibson.

unless you replaced the neck too... and then the body... and the bridge... and the pots... and the wires...

and i guess at that point you pretty much have a gibson, huh?
TheAmericanBrit  
1 Oct 2008 17:03 | Quote
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Wouldn't it only matter if he liked the fretboard?
RA  
1 Oct 2008 17:11 | Quote
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the Gibson fretboard, neck, neck joint (nobly SG) is one of the best no doubt. i can't only recommend a epi if it's your first guitar and your smart enough to skip the beginning crappy guitar bullshit.
TheAmericanBrit  
1 Oct 2008 17:13 | Quote
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Only thing I don't really like about Epiphone is the inconsistent quality.

RA  
1 Oct 2008 17:21 | Quote
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it's comes from the overall design of the les pual and Sg while it is a great design it works horrible for mass production you really need one skilled builder to make it. that's why fender has much better quality at a lower price it's designed for it. so people who don't have 2,500 to 4,000 to shell out for a guitar (like ME) will get a much better fender for 1,500 (though i got mine on clearance for 800 suckers it's a tele) through i was looking at getting a strat deluxe (clearance shopping time) due to the fact new jazzmasters suck and you need to get a vintage one and then you better of with a gibson
TheAmericanBrit  
1 Oct 2008 17:39 | Quote
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Well, I'm more of a Tele man anyway. I would rather have a lower quality Epiphone with a great amp than just a higher quality Gibson.
Littlewing  
1 Oct 2008 18:17 | Quote
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I forgot to mention replace the bridge and the nut. Also, make sure the neck has not dead spots because its a huge bitch to fix them.
baudelaire  
1 Oct 2008 18:57 | Quote
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that's a good point; gibson style guitars are more difficult to build then fender style guitars... so you REALLY are making a smart move by paying a professional craftsman in gibsons employ to make it, instead of a line factory.
RA  
1 Oct 2008 19:14 | Quote
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it is true amps make a huge difference but unless you over drive or use vast amount of effects to your music to make it udder shit, the guitar can be a make or brake move.

now remember this is coming form a devote Avant-garde listener (but i would rather like to take a john cale approach but with a bit more Sun Ra) so i feel it holds some, but then again egos are a double edged sword

i wouldn't say it's more difficult to build (besides the dove tail) but the thought process is best suited for different way. and no Gibson style should be on any line and that's largely how epi goes about it (i think i can safely think that certain tasks at the USA Gibson factory is lined like rough cuts for one on a ban saw).
baudelaire  
1 Oct 2008 19:18 | Quote
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the amp, pickups, guitar quality, and playing are all about 25% of your tone each. that's how i look at it...
Pager  
2 Oct 2008 03:58 | Quote
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well at the moment ive got a stoopid fender squire and its an epiphone les paul custom which i thought was like one of teh best kinds of les pauls??
sixtiesguy  
2 Oct 2008 07:17 | Quote
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Have you considered a Gibson SG? You'll get a pretty decent one for 450 which is roughly the same as your $900 and regarding tone you'll not notice a huge difference to a Les Paul. You'll also have the ease of access advantage's of a double cutaway.
baudelaire  
2 Oct 2008 11:49 | Quote
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he could get a gibson SG faded... those are made with equivalent parts to a epiphone, but slightly better worksmanship... or a gibson melody maker for less, but i've heard awful things about those.
JazzMaverick  
2 Oct 2008 12:01 | Quote
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You say better worksmanship, but what about the pickups? I remember that you prefer a different type of pickups than the ones that come with Gibsons.

What's the best? (might save up)
baudelaire  
2 Oct 2008 12:13 | Quote
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i like their 57 classic and classic plus humbuckers, i don't like their alnico ones, 495R or something. i think the very best humbuckers are the seymour duncan JB in the bridge and 57 in the neck.
JazzMaverick  
2 Oct 2008 12:27 | Quote
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You've got those two? Doesn't matter what guitar (electric) it's on though, right? Might just build my own, to be honest. I always wanted to.

They're not actually a bad price where I'm looking... might get them sooner than I thought.
Empirism  
2 Oct 2008 12:34 | Quote
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Im goin to buy a Epiphone SG tomorrow, worn cherry. I recently went local store and tested 2 hours Epiphone and gibson SG. Im not sure if that Gibson SG was standard one but anyway. I used zoom g1 and epiphone sounded much better in that than gibson one especially in octaver effect.

Also in gibson it has very sturdy or "thick" neck that not just fit my hand, but Epiphone was a pleasure... Just cant wait tomorrow ^_^
baudelaire  
2 Oct 2008 12:45 | Quote
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yes, i had those pickups in a HH fender jaguar that was fucking stolen. i'm still pissed about that.
JazzMaverick  
2 Oct 2008 12:53 | Quote
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I don't blame you for being annoyed, I've had crap loads of stuff stolen and I'm still annoyed. But a Jaguar... I would have gone on a rampage...
baudelaire  
2 Oct 2008 13:25 | Quote
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it was fucking awesome!
JazzMaverick  
2 Oct 2008 13:53 | Quote
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Any chance of you getting a new one sometime soon?
baudelaire  
2 Oct 2008 15:26 | Quote
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no. my bandmate has a les paul traditional, and there is no chance in hell of him using fender.

the world will end if fender and gibson guitars are performed together with, and so i'm going to get a SG-3.
TheAmericanBrit  
2 Oct 2008 15:34 | Quote
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There are some thing that just don't mix...Fender's and Gibson's, Tequila and Pepsi, The Bush Family and Presidency...
JazzMaverick  
2 Oct 2008 15:44 | Quote
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That's fair enough. Though you should still get it again just because it's amazing. Don't really have to play it with those guys.
baudelaire  
2 Oct 2008 15:50 | Quote
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no, i have brainwashed myself, so that the gibson SG-3 stimulates every pleasure center in my brain - sexual pleasure, societal pleasure, feeding pleasure, defecation pleasure. it's literally a endorphin button for me. it gets me hard, and makes my mouth water, and makes me feel accepted. i don't think it's reversible.
TheAmericanBrit  
2 Oct 2008 16:13 | Quote
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You're just aces, guy.
JazzMaverick  
2 Oct 2008 16:49 | Quote
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haha, now that's one way to do it. You're going to have fun when you get it then.

That guitar does look amazingly brilliant though. You better spam this place with pictures when you get it.
baudelaire  
2 Oct 2008 18:39 | Quote
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you bet your ass i will. pictures of me with in in many different poses, clothed, unclothed, awkward, composed, tearful, angry, numb, playing with it, sleeping with it, showering with it, walking the dogs with it, going to taco bell with it...

it's so elegant, black and gold... *sbudders*
TheAmericanBrit  
2 Oct 2008 22:14 | Quote
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You can just show us pictures of the guitar and leave your ugly self out, lqtm.
baudelaire  
2 Oct 2008 22:19 | Quote
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now you're just getting naked pictures of me.
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