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Harmonies and Box Patterns

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league  
15 Sep 2008 12:51 | Quote
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I just want to know if its possible to play a third apart from another melody (harmony) and play in a box pattern. Would I have to change the box. As I ascended on the box would each note remain a third apart if the other guitar was also playing ascending notes.
JazzMaverick  
15 Sep 2008 12:58 | Quote
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I'm pretty sure it works like a charm. I personally love harmony. Just listen to your ear though, if one of the thirds doesn't sound right, just change it a bit, make that one harmony a fifth or something. Would be pretty interesting.
league  
15 Sep 2008 13:08 | Quote
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Yeah I have been trying to add fifths in with the thirds and Ive gotten some good results.
JazzMaverick  
15 Sep 2008 13:14 | Quote
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Good to hear, would love to hear this composition when you're finished with it.
baudelaire  
15 Sep 2008 13:54 | Quote
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the box pattern is not relevant if you're doing something like just doing a counter point in similar motion. whether or not it is in key, the brain will recognize the pattern and it will not be dissonant. however, that's if you're just doing thirds, period. if you want to a counter point that adds something musically and not only texturally, you'll have to use any interval you need to, and at that point you will need to pay attention to tonality.
JazzMaverick  
15 Sep 2008 14:21 | Quote
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Good advice.
Afro_Raven  
15 Sep 2008 15:22 | Quote
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Sounds like good advice baudelaire, although I've never heard of counterpoint being played on guitar! I think the 4-part harmonies might get quite tricky without the addition of another 10 fingers...

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baudelaire  
15 Sep 2008 15:58 | Quote
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uhh, it's called 'classical guitar' or, 'flamenco guitar'.

you can play lead, rhythm, and run a bass line, if your a good finger picker.

this is a very simple example, with a simple 2 voice counterpoint.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvM_KjHJxh4&feature=related
BodomBeachTerror  
15 Sep 2008 16:00 | Quote
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im pretty sure hes not writing a classical guitar piece tho
baudelaire  
15 Sep 2008 17:17 | Quote
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and?
league  
16 Sep 2008 17:16 | Quote
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Ok I've noticed that when I want to play something like harmonic minor or Phrigian mode I usually have to alter the box pattern.Maybe im not hearing it or im doing something wrong. My question is if I play a harmony with thirds and descend on the box scale will the notes stay a third apart at least technically?
Veqq  
16 Sep 2008 20:24 | Quote
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Technically they will be a 3rd away (in the scale). But, in the Harmonic Minor (and it's phygrian mode) the 1.5 step will not harmonize to a 3rd very well. So, use a 4th for that note instead of a 3rd.
JazzMaverick  
17 Sep 2008 05:13 | Quote
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Yeah, if you keep them thirds they'll always be thirds. It's up to you and how you make it.

If you just remind yourself which of the same notes you've already made a harmony above, then play the same harmonies once you reach their octave then it'll still sound the same, just higher.
Littlewing  
22 Sep 2008 16:50 | Quote
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Try throwing in some 4ths also and maybe and occasional major 6


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