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TheAmericanBrit  
11 Sep 2008 17:36 | Quote
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7 years later, and they're STILL showing the news coverage from that morning? Do they really think people want to be reminded of that? Yes, we should honor the victims, but why show the coverage all over again?

Phip  
11 Sep 2008 17:45 | Quote
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@Skold,
Yeah it's disturbing to see again and again. I personally find it hard to watch. It stirs something up inside that I find uncomfortable. Big news, networks make money.
les_paul  
11 Sep 2008 17:57 | Quote
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It should never be forgot. I think it should be shown on TV every 9/11. It should be taught to children in school as a part of American history. An event with such an evil motive and heroic response should never be forgot, and people should be reminded every year in honor of those who lost there life. I am still overwhelmed by the memories of that day and I hope I always will be.

No disrespect to anyone who sees things different but that is my view.
TheAmericanBrit  
11 Sep 2008 18:00 | Quote
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Forgetting isn't what I'm saying. We will NEVER forget it.

However, do you really want to be shown that every year? Never forget, but we do have to get past it.
EMB5490  
11 Sep 2008 18:10 | Quote
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my dad was there for the 2nd one to hit, watched it happen...it was horible, ppl jumping out was the worst he said.
telecrater  
11 Sep 2008 18:41 | Quote
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come on come the anniversary of pearl harbor it's all over the news too. It will never go away, so get used to it.

So i'll pose this and you can yell at me if you want but......

Do you think terrors were really behind the attacks of 9-11? There are lots of theory's out there but what do you all think?
Phip  
11 Sep 2008 18:48 | Quote
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@telecrater,
Truely? certain factions of the Muslem community have sworn death to the USA so there's no real reason to suspect that they WEREN'T responsible. It's their freakin mission in life (and death) to murder us. Yeah, i think wihtout a doubt they were responsible. Not buying any of the conspiracy stuff.
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TheAmericanBrit  
11 Sep 2008 18:56 | Quote
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RelaxedDude  
11 Sep 2008 19:00 | Quote
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Hahaha

That guy looks a little familiar...
baudelaire  
11 Sep 2008 20:07 | Quote
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our reaction to it as a nation damaged america far more then the loss of a couple thousand people and a couple skyscrapers ever had any chance of doing.

our government didn't do it; they simply made sure that the terrorists wouldn't be stopped and were able to go through with it. funded it more then likely. winked and smiled at them.
les_paul  
11 Sep 2008 20:23 | Quote
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baudelaire says:
our reaction to it as a nation damaged america far more then the loss of a couple thousand people and a couple skyscrapers ever had any chance of doing.


You may not have ment it that way, but that sounds very disrespectful.
baudelaire  
11 Sep 2008 20:35 | Quote
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it's the truth; we can as a nation sustain the loss of 3000 people and 2 skyscrapers better then we can sustain the loss of freedom and tightening of the governments grip on our lives. we, in the subsequent hysteria and fear, hurt OURSELVES worse then the terrorists ever did.

remember, freedom is dangerous; shit like this is GOING to happen in a free society. honestly, it's a small price, considering how peaceful our homeland has been for over a hundred years. the bill was going to come due sometime.

"he who would trade freedom for safety deserves, and will receive, neither".

what happened on 9/11 sucked. but what happened after it, was far, far worse.
TheAmericanBrit  
11 Sep 2008 20:37 | Quote
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I actually agree with baud.

They changed us a nation. They struck fear in our hearts.
Crunch  
11 Sep 2008 20:49 | Quote
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Really, all of this remembrance crap and memorial BS is to help us forget, not to make us remember.

Anyway, I don't know if they struck fear in our hearts as much as they made a fairly big mistake and now we are blowing their third cousins straight to hell. At least, I assume their third cousins, if I was a terrorist's second cousin I would definitely be hiding with said terrorist.
EMB5490  
11 Sep 2008 22:06 | Quote
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who changed a nation? bush? 9/11? also somthing tht i felt was kinda freaky, my friend at school, his dad was firsed from a company tht worked at the trade center that day. his mom who also worked with him, was out with him at breakfast instead of in the twin towers. freaky, aalso 9.11 the date is also 911 the # for the police.
Crunch  
11 Sep 2008 22:30 | Quote
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I don't know if you're just stating a coincidence (make no mistake, it is) in that 9/11 is 911, but all the numerology stuff that went on after the attacks was, and is, laughably ridiculous. It was also spoofed to great effect on South Park. Now that I think about it, that's probably one of my favorite episodes.
baudelaire  
11 Sep 2008 22:51 | Quote
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you know, everyone knows that the emergency number is 911, but i didn't think anyone was actually dumb enough to make that connection in the open and lend it some sort of significance.


and what i meant, by fear, is that WE let the fear do the damage. sure, planes zipping about and knocking big buildings over is a concern for all of us. but the damage is done when we gave into those fears, and let the government fuck us over. the damage those planes did is insignificant compared to the damage our cultural weakness did to us, when we allowed our fear to get the best of us and let things like the patriot act occur. hell, terrorism isn't the biggest threat we face... the biggest threat we face is US.
TheAmericanBrit  
11 Sep 2008 23:02 | Quote
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Brother man is speaking some truth.
JustJeff  
12 Sep 2008 07:17 | Quote
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i had a big post i wanted to say, but it's just not working.

I seem to have gotten the burden of most of these disasters, living in New York for 9/11 and being at VT for 4/16. It's like these things follow me around.

There is something cruel and unusual about showing scenes from a disaster that incites horrible memories.
nicolettox  
12 Sep 2008 15:50 | Quote
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be extra careful with the media!
CTown  
12 Sep 2008 16:38 | Quote
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Baud and Skold are on point here; we lost habeaus corpus for the first time since the Civil War (I believe). Privacy is gone. All b/c of fear.

Jeff, yeah, that is horrible. I'm thankful that I graduated from NIU before 2/14/07, but I spent that day calling all my friends still living at Northern just to make sure that they were all right. School shootings were never a concern and now future students might not know what an open campus feels like. B/c of fear. Now when someone asks where I went to college, that will always be their association w/ my alma matter. It sucks.
TheAmericanBrit  
12 Sep 2008 17:02 | Quote
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Speaking of 9/11, here's a video I made about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epPV_XiZhKs
JazzMaverick  
12 Sep 2008 17:16 | Quote
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Speaking of lack of privacy... the government have now created a small video cam..... inside a bug! They're somehow able to manipulate the bug and make it go where ever they want... First the bug... Soon to come will be us most likely. THAT's fucked up. Freedom is no more, my friends.

Yeah... I was definitely born in the wrong era. There's far too much restriction in this generation. Who wants to start a rebellion with me? :D

I agree with Baudelaire that it doesn't matter if thousands die, because there are millions more to continue this race. We'll be remembered by our families, but then in time, we'll be forgotten.

Also since we don't keep record on stone anymore, if a massive disaster were to happen, no one would remember any of this. There would be such a massive gap in history, that they wouldn't know what had happened, what was discovered, anything. Interesting to think about...
BodomBeachTerror  
12 Sep 2008 17:19 | Quote
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ill join ya! wut do we burn first?
Crunch  
12 Sep 2008 22:29 | Quote
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I was going to move to France, but the perennially feisty Frenchmen have stopped fighting for every last right (to the death!). From what I hear, you can't even smoke in hospitals anymore. What kind of crap is that?
TheAmericanBrit  
12 Sep 2008 22:30 | Quote
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Yes, God forbid someone not want second hand smoke.
baudelaire  
13 Sep 2008 00:37 | Quote
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and the whole... you know... TANKS OF OXYGEN BEING EVERYWHERE THING.
sixtiesguy  
13 Sep 2008 07:00 | Quote
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Recommended reading about how far Governments and industrialists are prepared to go to achieve their ends:-

J.K.Galbraith 'The affluent Society'
AND
-----"------- 'The concept of countervailing power'

One of your own countrymen
Crunch  
13 Sep 2008 14:59 | Quote
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The idea was that I think people should fight tooth and nail for their rights (unless they don't want them, I guess), not that I support smoking. The smoking in hospitals thing was intended to be a joke... :(
Heather  
13 Sep 2008 15:04 | Quote
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Well, it's sad. And awful to keep being reminded in that way, but I always remember about it at least once everyday since it happened. Mainly because of the news everynight about the middle east, lives have been lost after being sent there still to 'solve' what terrible thing already happened.

Here in the UK, my news only mildly showed the old footage, as they seem to know it's just plain depressing as much as it is a reminder.
JazzMaverick  
13 Sep 2008 15:17 | Quote
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I just don't like the government rules and the whole "yeah... we want more money... increase the council tax- take their money before kids go back to school. You just gave a fucking opinion, we're fining you for £10,000"

Last one was over the top, but you get my point... their money fiends, the police stand there "calling for back up" or afraid to intervene as I've watched my friends get beaten until you can't recognise them. The police aren’t allowed to use their friggin’ weapons! They’re not allowed to arrest someone without a partner and without wearing their dorky hats.

The police don't do anything because when they take the ones they do capture to court, they're set free because the courts are far too soft. Next thing you hear; the person they've just let out has killed 5 school kids and their parents. But of course, give him 3 months and he’ll definitely learn his lesson… yep...

I have been seriously tempted to start this new generation's rebellion. But of course, going around typing this online isn't exactly the smartest thing to do. I wouldn't do it to the death; I still want to finish learning music! :D Even though that’s probably a messed up opinion, I don’t appreciate this government’s set of rules and ideas of a “safe” country.
baudelaire  
13 Sep 2008 16:08 | Quote
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if the people in the UK had any sort of gumption, the streets would be red with the blood of your government right now. and that goes for the US too. but especially in the UK... absolutely despicable. you need to make some firearms, and start killing politicians... and don't stop until you have some measure of freedom back.

the fact is, the police are not there to protect you; they are there to investigate crime, that's their job, and they are there to keep the citizens in line with the government. they're armed thugs for the organized crime that is our governments.

i have 8 Taz made SKS rifles i got for 50 a piece, 3000 rounds of silver bear ammunition, and 3 bulletproof vests i bought from a gunshow in the south for 60 a piece. when the time comes, and unrest in america grows, me and whoever is willing to stand with me will resist the police state; hopefully manage to kill the traitors in office, and take out some of their henchmen. i don't know about the UK, but there ARE people in the US ready to die for their ideals.
JazzMaverick  
13 Sep 2008 16:30 | Quote
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-THIS ISN'T VERY PLEASENT, DON'T READ IF YOU DON'T WANT TO FEEL UNEASY.-

You've got some awesome ammunition man. Shame you don't live here! My old man was loaded with weapons, shame I don't have those.

UK is pretty damn rough, too. I'd definitely know where to find those willing to fight. But I'd want to find people who know what they're doing, too. So we don't lose. We shouldn't have to try and push our way through these bullet proof shields... we'll just make it even. I'd like to make the government remember that we're not going to take this kind of shit. And they shouldn't have to make the police fight for them. Cowards.

There are a lot of people willing to rebel, they just need someone who's willing to start it.

People deserve to actually have a life... Not live in fear that they'll get stabbed on the corner shop by some kids who just think it's funny. Or chased until they die of exhaustion. Or set on fire because they wanted the victims to dance (happened to my friends). That's why the death penalty should be brought back.

If I survive in this UK battle, I'll gladly join you.
baudelaire  
13 Sep 2008 18:00 | Quote
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great.

remember, you can't win by force. the only way you can win is terrorism, on the traitors in office. you can't kill all the cops, you can't fight the military, you can't just stage a coup... but you can drain them, kill the important leaders, blow up symbols, rally support with strategic hits on certain things. a successful rebellion would be mostly political in nature; if you just go into the streets with guns, you're just going to be shot like dogs. you have to blend with the population; wear down the opposition, just like the resistance fighters in Iraq and Afghanistan, just like the terrorist sleeper cells in america and Britain.

i suggest you learn some basic chemistry, too. learn politics, how to manipulate mobs of people, how to strike fear into the enemy while being a ghost.
les_paul  
13 Sep 2008 18:49 | Quote
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What the FUCK! Damn this site is getting out of hand lately. The general chat section is for off topics, but this is some fucking way off shit.

I'm sorry for the language and the ones that have been here for a while know this isn't like me, but the last couple of post are far fuckin past the limits of what should be posted on a guitar site.

If I was a mod that shit would be gone!
JazzMaverick  
13 Sep 2008 19:09 | Quote
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Yeah... that's so damn true. I intend to put some major fear in them and drain them. My uncle's into this, too. But it's difficult getting to his place.

He's also been traced by the government for fear of terrorism because he searched on google for bombs. They track anyone who does that kind of stuff apparently. They've created a new program that picks up on key words and then records the rest to find out if you're a threat. haha
RelaxedDude  
13 Sep 2008 19:17 | Quote
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I completely agree with Les Paul, this site is mainly for guitar

Granted, this is the general chat section, and some off-topic forums are fine (ex. Skold and his date, lol)

If people want to chat about the war and whatnot, then a different site should be used

Course, thats just my opinion
Heather  
14 Sep 2008 05:48 | Quote
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baudelaire says:
you need to make some firearms, and start killing politicians... and don't stop until you have some measure of freedom back.
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Baudelaire, we've had our disagreements, but I actually like the sound of that! Woah, I'm not sure if I should be disturbed by it though!

JazzMaverick, I hate those thieveing politicians too, each MP gets at least £10, 000 each just to yell childishly in the house of commons, and my dad's a slef employed electrician, he's almost worked himself to death fro early morning to late night on his own, does a good job too, but this tax man came one day suspicous we had illegal employees not registered with the company because he got so much money, they found out we don't havean one else working, so for no particular reason, he charged us £15,000 for extra 'working tax' and another £17,000 with no excuse. He was just annoyed he could'nt tax us for having workers.

And Les Paul and Relaxed Dude, I don't understand the problem personally, Skold never cross-posted the topic or anything, although in a way at the start I did only want and thought the topic was to pay our respects for the innocent who were blew up for no reason other then madness. But for the record, if people now feel unwelcome to talk politics even on off-topic, go to 'Current.com'. YO
ou can do all sorts there.
joe  
14 Sep 2008 06:17 | Quote
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@les paul - agreed.

this is fucking ridiculous.

in fact what are you even suggesting you're fighting for?

if there were armed vigilantes going around THEN people would be living in fear.

im happy to talk about guitar and the odd off topic with people but suggesting "you need to make some firearms, and start killing politicians" doesnt belong here or anywhere else in my opinion.

JazzMaverick  
14 Sep 2008 06:41 | Quote
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I did put in bold not to read if it makes you feel uneasy. This is general chat, the only difference between this conversation and skold's future girlfriend is that this is a serious conversation. Everyone is entitled to have it.

I can totally understand that it makes you all feel uneasy, but this is the same kind of conversation that people would have in real life. Some of you are not old enough to experience those conversations yet, but you most likely will.

Everyone is allowed to give their opinion, and we're not making aggressive comments to anyone here, so I don't see the problem. Just don't read if you don't like it.

I just hate the way the government treats us... it's totally wrong and unjust.
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