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EMB5490  
18 Aug 2008 15:45 | Quote
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i reallllllllly want a good aamp and am stuck between:

fender:
hot rod deluxe, blues reisue

marshall:
jcm
jmp
jvm
vintage modern

please explaine the diff between the marshall amps, and their prices i know most about the fenders, one thing is tht i understand those mrshalls to be rather expensive, id only get the head and would be looking to not spend more than 1k on it, so im guessing it would be used maybe a bit more w/o telling my parnets...whats the prices of those? any others? would i need a distortion pedal with the marshals? how much disotrtion do they give? which has the best tone? helllllpppp
baudelaire  
18 Aug 2008 16:36 | Quote
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you really have to tell us more about what you want out of the amp.

you won't need a distortion pedal with any marshall i've ever heard. they have a awesome crunch and gain out the ass. marshall makes excellent heads, i don't like their combo's, because in most of them, they simply took the head, turned it upside down and stuck into a cabinet with a speaker - and i've heard horror stories regarding heat issues and reliability.

my personal favorite marshall is the triple super lead. it REALLY kicks ass. the vintage modern has a really nice tone, too. BUT, because it is marshall, you will be paying for the name. be aware of that.

the fenders, ehh. i don't really like the frequencies they respond at the most. the 4x10 hot rod deville is really nice, though, and you can get them at a good price. you might need a little bit of pedal distortion for the fenders.
EMB5490  
18 Aug 2008 16:40 | Quote
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o ye i forgot the tsl and dsl, what are the prices of the marshall heads i named used...ill be playing anything from a dirty clean sound like skynyrd to a heavy sound ozzy...i like disotortion and i h8 when the sound fades out. not too loud, a 50w head is well enough
BodomBeachTerror  
18 Aug 2008 16:44 | Quote
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i have a lead 12 marshall and i need a distortion pedal. but i dont think they even make lead 12s anymore =p
baudelaire  
18 Aug 2008 17:00 | Quote
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i would really recommend the tsl60 jcm200. it'll be about a grand used. it has a clean channel, crunch channel, and lead channel. it kicks more ass then you could possibly understand.
EMB5490  
18 Aug 2008 17:04 | Quote
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lol kicks more ass then u could possibly understand lol, what about the jmp? they stopped making those, which mean they must be good...ranyd rhoads used those...any 1 have? i saw 1 for like 1k on ebay. ill have to try them.

@bbt: u seem to be intrestied in playing very heavy stuff, so...

is the tone better or worse then the fender amps i mentioned...i know the distortion is, butthose fenders have gr8 tone..
Doz  
19 Aug 2008 09:53 | Quote
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The JCM2000 sounds like a good option. The most gain-y of the JCM series, and if it's still not enough shove a pedal in front of it. Alternatively you could go for a JCM 900 + high gain pedal. Then you'll have better cleans with the ability to turn up the overdrive.

However, I've not played *every* one of these amps much, but I've read up and heard them.
EMB5490  
19 Aug 2008 10:27 | Quote
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just checking some stuff, what does the dsl and tsl do? price ranges of those? what about a 1959 slp? price? i kinda like the sound of the vintage modern better than the jcm although i havent tried it, i just want to get the head...will sound come outta it or do u need the cab with it to get it to sound, soz im not too experianced with stacks.
baudelaire  
19 Aug 2008 13:50 | Quote
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look up your own prices. www.google.com

a head does not make sound. you need a cab, and you need to make sure it's the right resistance.

the dsl has two channels and the tsl has three.
EMB5490  
19 Aug 2008 15:06 | Quote
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ahhhh! tnx for da info k so tht eliminates everything b/c i just wana spend 1k. i aksed my teach he gave me 3 choices. the peavey windsor, peavey valveking but with upgraded cab, or his used jcm 800 from the 80s he'd give me tht for 1k head is jcm 800, cab is 1960a, and a mxr (red) distortion pedal.
baudelaire  
19 Aug 2008 16:34 | Quote
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take the JCM800 with the 1960 cab and the MXR pedal. i never heard the JCM800, but it aint gonna suck, and the 1960 cab is the BEST marshall cab, in my opinion. don't really use MXR, but it can't hurt. thats a pretty good deal, really.
EMB5490  
19 Aug 2008 17:05 | Quote
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ye its the best deal but the max amount of money for me... if i like the windsor or the valveking better, id get tht but right now, im leaning toward the jcm.
lance  
19 Aug 2008 18:15 | Quote
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you can't go wrong with any of those amps. you would really need to
sit down and play those to figure out which voicing you like the best.
i have heard horror stories about the TSL 100w heads(reliability)
but think about when they were made to give you an idea of voicing.

1K is a really good deal for the JCM800,especially if it's mint and
comes with a matching JCM800 lead cab. if it's a 2204 MKII than you
struck gold and could resell it haha.

"kicks more ass than you could possibly understand"
those words describe all those amps lol.


http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/msg/799813857.html TSL 60 2x12 $575
EMB5490  
19 Aug 2008 18:36 | Quote
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he said its a 1987 or 84 i forgot 2204 jcm 800 with a 1960a cab and a mxr disotriton pedal thrown in, hes the 2nd owner or the 3rd. all tht for 1k. he didnt say anything about the mkII but im gona do this...go to sam ash or guitar center, try the valveking and windsor then go to his house and thry the jcm800 and decide which i like best. my teach said he says anything over the 800 sucks the 900 and 2000s suck, made bad and poor footswitch, takes a sec to switch ovr. he said he knows ppl in repair shops tht said they use cheap crappy materials and sell them for more.
baudelaire  
19 Aug 2008 18:47 | Quote
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i really don't like either the windsor or the valveking. they always sounded rather colorless to me.
EMB5490  
19 Aug 2008 18:49 | Quote
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ill have to try them, i did try to try the valve king but it pissed me off, i turned it on and couldnt figure out how to get a soft volume, i turned it on, played a chord and the whole fking tri state area was looking at me it was so loud...then i lowered volume but couldnt firgure out how to get good disotrtion...im such a dip...i left before i could try it...
Doz  
19 Aug 2008 20:26 | Quote
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That JCM800 is a lengendary amp. Used by lots of big names. You'll probably want a good overdrive for the gain though.
EMB5490  
19 Aug 2008 21:33 | Quote
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what does overdrive do? better than a disotrtion pedal?
baudelaire  
19 Aug 2008 23:23 | Quote
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distortion pedals use a circuit to literally distort the signal. overdrive pedals use a booster, and then a limited gate to drive the signal, and then give it something to overload.
EMB5490  
20 Aug 2008 06:39 | Quote
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so would the ibanez tube screamer be a overdrive pedal?
Doz  
20 Aug 2008 10:27 | Quote
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Yeah, and a good one. You'll want to try out both before you make a decision, but my preferance is overdrive.
EMB5490  
20 Aug 2008 11:24 | Quote
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hmm se if i got the jcm then id be spendin all me money, idk maybe id get it anyway, arnt they like 200 bucks? id prob get it used then.
Doz  
20 Aug 2008 11:29 | Quote
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Buying used is the best option... but you could also go for a cheaper overdrive pedal. Just try some out.
baudelaire  
20 Aug 2008 12:00 | Quote
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if you're looking at pedals, and you want the most bang for your buck, i'd really reccomend a multifx pedal, like the zoom line.

i have a zoom g9, and the tone is on par with all but the very best boutique pedals, and the number of things it can do is just ridiculous. plus, it has two expression pedals, and one goes sideways as well as up and down. and it cost significantly less money and headaches then a pedal board, at 400 bucks.
Doz  
20 Aug 2008 12:28 | Quote
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That might be a good option, but that's a choice you'll have to think about a lot EMB, considering a hell of a lot of guitarists will stand by single pedals over multi-fx pedals.

However, it's only a good option if you actually have the money - which EMB has already stated he won't have after getting the amp he plans on. Therefore, a single overdrive or distortion pedal is a better option.

Then, as you get cash you can build yourself a pedal board that'll give room for more customization and flexibility, a few pedals at a time.
EMB5490  
20 Aug 2008 12:47 | Quote
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no i wouldnt want a multifx pedal, not only wont i have the money, but they dont sound as good, so far im getting the disotrtion pedal for free so ill have tht to work with, maybe id sell somthn like me golf clubs and get the overdrive, but i dont have extra money to burn.
GRX40  
20 Aug 2008 13:40 | Quote
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If you want a tubescreamer, get a TS9. They're $100 dollars new, but you can get really good deals on used ones from eBay. Also look in Boss SD-1 ($50 or $60 new) or Digitech Bad Monkey ($50 new).
lance  
20 Aug 2008 14:40 | Quote
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even though the JCM800 will eat up all your money its hands down
marshall's most desirable amp from 1982 until now if that says
something.

just a couple folks who plays/played them.
Zakk W,Kerry King,Randy Rhodes just to name a few.

a quote from Zakk
"I've been using a JCM800 Marshall since I started with Ozzy back
in '88. I've tried other amps but I've always ended up back with my
Marshalls."

EMB5490  
20 Aug 2008 16:28 | Quote
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i tyred a couple today heres what i see

peavey:

windsor:didnt like the tone as much but is a good amp for the price (has been eliminated for my next amp)
valveking:at high levels of distortion the disotrtion starts to sound not as good, but still in the running, good tone.

marshall:

jvm(then a # i forgot) i really liked this one, gr8 gr8 tone, and good distortion, too much tho hehe :) (i wasnt looking at this 1 b/c to much money but wanted to see it)

1959 slp:hehe!

1984/87 (forgot)jcm800: didnt try, maybe next week or the week after i will b/c its at my teaches house.

Fender:

Blues Reisue Deluxe:
no dought a gr8 amp with gr8 tone but is missing distortion(eliminated)

Hot Rod Deluxe:
i liked it, more distrtortion maybe not as good tone but it was good for a cheaper price then the valveking.

so far the order is:

Hot rod Deluxe: numero uno!
valveking: numero dos!
jcm 800: i havent tryed yet.

the hot rod deluxe would be wit a distortion pedal, but i didnt like the ibnez tube screamers distortion, id get tht with a distortion pedal and would need reverb.

P.S. im in a good mood b/c a guy ther gave me thumbs up... made me feel kinda good since i havent been playing for long.

telecrater  
20 Aug 2008 18:04 | Quote
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The Hot Rod Deluxe has 2 drive stages, drive and more drive. Even with the more drive it wasn't driven enough?

That sounded much better floating around in my head
EMB5490  
20 Aug 2008 18:56 | Quote
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more drive is good...but not enough...i like a thick crunch...not like a huge metal kind but a crunch, see the vid golden country from the reo speedwagon concert i looooooooooooove tht tone

heres the vid:

baudelaire  
20 Aug 2008 22:44 | Quote
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it sounds like he has a light autowah on there too. try setting the bass and mids real low and diming the highs.
EMB5490  
21 Aug 2008 08:06 | Quote
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ye hes using a wah but i love the crunch in his tone, crisp crunch.
telecrater  
21 Aug 2008 19:19 | Quote
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That is a good point. I think Clapton would always sue a wah as a tone control and keep it at a certain setting when he played live.
EMB5490  
21 Aug 2008 19:35 | Quote
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i guess what im asking is ther an amp/pedal tht gives u tht crunch and tone, like as a price range im looking for, but it can also do a rhoads distortion?
Doz  
22 Aug 2008 11:18 | Quote
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Well, a lot of overdrive pedals should get you you back to that crunchy tone if you roll back the gain a bit. You really need to try it out for yourself.
EMB5490  
22 Aug 2008 12:16 | Quote
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kk. i didnt like the distortion as much on the ibanez..
Doz  
22 Aug 2008 12:46 | Quote
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Well, maybe you should go for a distortion pedal rather than an overdrive. It's just preferance I guess so look into some distortion pedals.
baudelaire  
22 Aug 2008 13:32 | Quote
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come to think of it, the electro harmonix english muff'n sounds a whole lot like that video you posted when the gain is dimed. the pedal is great, has 2 tubes in it to make a nice rich distortion, and goes from a light overdrive to a strong distortion.
EMB5490  
22 Aug 2008 16:10 | Quote
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hmm they make good pedals, ill look at it, sounds expensive tho.
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