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I NEed Some Recording Help!

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GuitarBoy666  
8 Jul 2008 17:46 | Quote
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Okay so I have a pretty cool sounding rhythm part, and I have a pretty cool sounding lead part that goes with it.

My problem is this:
I recorded my rhythm piece, and in order to get the lead over it I would rather play it like, do the rhythm, then play the lead, then play the rhythm. And I play it all along with the first recorded piece, which would be the rhythm guitar.

The thing is, I look at the static to know where to come in, but I always screw up. I don't come in at the right time. Either too early or too late. Then I get like doubles of each note.

How do I become better at doing this? I want a decent sounding song, not something that is just like noise.

Also, I know when the solo COMES IN, but when I am playing it I am not too sure about what to play when it's done, how can I find out by myself?

I know this is probably pretty confusing buy my mind is jumbled right now.
telecrater  
8 Jul 2008 19:23 | Quote
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GuitarBoy666 says:
my mind is jumbled right now


I think your right. most of it comes form experiance, playing and listening
JustJeff  
8 Jul 2008 22:40 | Quote
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wear headphones and listen to it, then sync the two files later?
telecrater  
8 Jul 2008 23:12 | Quote
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does that work for you? I have never gotten it to be "right"
Empirism  
9 Jul 2008 04:18 | Quote
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Try easy solos at first from scale. play it over and over again and when it sound good add more to it. If you are not sure what to play, then improvisate, or if it doesnt feel comfortable, try build your solo with thinking or humming it.

and do not worry for screwups or mistakes. Elvis band guitarist made one of his best solos on song called Hound Dog and that solo came out from his Frustration that he couldnt play good on recording session..
deefa  
9 Jul 2008 09:10 | Quote
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Are you giving yourself a count in for a couple of bars before playing? It helps you get into the groove.
Guitarslinger124  
9 Jul 2008 09:11 | Quote
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when you record...always, always, always, use a click track.
deefa  
9 Jul 2008 10:39 | Quote
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Click track! That's the name I was trying to think of. Old age creeping in!
GuitarBoy666  
9 Jul 2008 11:24 | Quote
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Unfortunately I don't have one that makes sounds : /
But I do have bars on the top that tells what time in the song
les_paul  
9 Jul 2008 11:59 | Quote
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audacity has a click track
Skold  
9 Jul 2008 14:48 | Quote
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You've got a latency issue, mate.

On my PC, I have an audio driver installed that doesn't give me as much latency, but I don't know if you have it or not.

GuitarBoy666  
9 Jul 2008 14:56 | Quote
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Okay so I figured something out. Coming in is not my problem. here is the real problem apparently:

I play one part at one speed, but them I end up playing at a different speed when I am doing the lead.

That is a very big problem, playing at different speeds all the time. how do I improve this?
Empirism  
9 Jul 2008 14:57 | Quote
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Hmm, Latency problems usually appears for MIDI keyboard, virtual instruments and such. In audio tracks, I think its not a problem.

I have same problems many times. I used to tap my feet that i keep consentration on tempo and rythm, if you play without drums or any rythmic background, its really hard.

Btw. isnt "click track" = Metronome? :D
jcb3000  
9 Jul 2008 15:10 | Quote
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^^^lol i was just thinking the same thing, you could have one headphone on with a metronome playing, thats sure to keep you a bit better in time with the track
Empirism  
9 Jul 2008 15:12 | Quote
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I personally hate metronome :D, when i hear that "click, click, click, click, click" on my head next 4:50 minutes... im ready to mental care... I prefer drums xD
Skold  
9 Jul 2008 15:44 | Quote
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@EMP

No, latency applies to this aswell. You know how latency works, right? It's basically a delay between what you play, and when it's recorded.

It's the time it take to process everything and send it out (output) that throws off the timing.
GuitarBoy666  
9 Jul 2008 16:07 | Quote
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I don't think I have a latency problem at all.
My computer works perfectly with everything.

Good idea with the headphones. That might help me a bit.

@Empirism;
I hate hearing the clicking too. Very annoying. Especially if it is recorded with what you're playing >.
Skold  
9 Jul 2008 16:32 | Quote
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Ok, so your problem is that the tracks sound of of sync? If so, you've got latency!
GuitarBoy666  
9 Jul 2008 18:11 | Quote
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No. It's not that lol
I said that when I play it. I play one too fast and the other too slow. Accidentally. It's always been a problem with me.
telecrater  
9 Jul 2008 18:24 | Quote
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Hey GB what program are you using to record?

Sometimes you can choose what driver to use. I know there is usually a generic ASIO, but one for your speciifc sound card you might get better results.

consumer grade sound cards are not really designed for playback not really recording.
GuitarBoy666  
9 Jul 2008 20:21 | Quote
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MixPad by NCH
I use Wavpad to cut and edit my song clips.
telecrater  
9 Jul 2008 21:35 | Quote
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check some where for audio or properties or inputs and see if you can edit the drivers. I've never used mixpad.

other wise go buy your self a nice semi-pro audio sound card
Skold  
10 Jul 2008 01:34 | Quote
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Ohh, I must have misread what you said.

I use to always count to 4 before I started playing rhythm. That way, I knew EXACTLY when I would come in on lead.
GuitarBoy666  
10 Jul 2008 08:47 | Quote
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^ I think I might start doing the same all the time.
I do it the odd time but I really need to start doing it more and more.
Skold  
10 Jul 2008 09:37 | Quote
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Yeah, it really helps. Plus, it adds a cool little something to Demos.
GuitarBoy666  
10 Jul 2008 11:53 | Quote
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Yeah it seems like in demos you always hear the guitarist (especially) going "One, Two, Three Four." or "Uno, Deux, tres, Quattro" lol


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