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jasonmac  
6 Jul 2008 19:04 | Quote
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Some Metallica is ok if ok is that i will not choose to put it on but if its playing than thats ok. Megadeth is the better band hands down
GuitarBoy666  
8 Jul 2008 18:15 | Quote
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So I just found out that there is going to be a Guitar Hero: Metallica.
Your thoughts?

Seriously they are getting carried away, they make a Gutiar Hero: Aerosmith, and yet, not a guitar hero frickin' Van Halen or Guns n Roses or something.

I'd rather see Megadeth get a Guitar Hero game instead of Metallica. This wouldn't have happened if frickin' Activision/Neversoft bought out RedOctane/Harmonix, whoever the hell made it.
whistlebug23  
9 Jul 2008 11:13 | Quote
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May I start?
I voted Metallica, simply because I was nearly raised on it.
It seems their music hold memories of when my Dad had his Mustang going, and we would ride all through Southern OK.

Crap, that's just too sentimental for a guitar site!
I just think Metallica rocks!
jcb3000  
9 Jul 2008 15:06 | Quote
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I voted for megadeth due to their more complex song structure but metallica pre black album its just awesome, but was close calls. I do prefer James' voice over Mustaines, but still it was just the song holy wars...the punishment due which did it for me
blackholesun  
9 Jul 2008 15:42 | Quote
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GuitarBoy666 says:
Seriously they are getting carried away, they make a Gutiar Hero: Aerosmith, and yet, not a guitar hero frickin' Van Halen or Guns n Roses or something.


How many albums do GnR have though? Appetite for Destruction, GN'R Lies (EP), Use Your Illusion I and II, and The Spaghetti Incident which was a covers album. So they don't really have the same depth of material that Metallica do.

Not sure about Van Halen though - maybe they'll buy your idea for a million bucks lol

And as for Megadeth - Metallica are winning the polls at the moment with 68% of the polls to Megadeth's 28%. I know this is just a sample of 25 people so far, but if the rest of the world voted the same way, then GH: Metallica would sell more copies than GH: Megadeth.
EMB5490  
9 Jul 2008 16:37 | Quote
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its not guiar heros choice, its who wants to release the music...if a band needs money, or to be noticed, thts a good way.
GuitarBoy666  
9 Jul 2008 18:08 | Quote
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Very good point, bhs.
But you look at the fact that Axl Rose did have an amazing, versatile voice, back in the day. And Slash is still an awesome guitarist. Van Halen was a good band though, they had a lot of songs, Eddie was a sweet guitarist too.

@EMB,
True. If I wanted to get noticed and I had good material with my band I would try to get Rock band or Guitar Hero to put my bad in it. I've heard of some sweet bands from it in the Bonus tracks sections. I just don't like it when people listen to only guitar hero bands..
EMB5490  
9 Jul 2008 18:39 | Quote
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i h8 tht, dont even get me started on dragonforce...van halen was good, catchy, but i thought the lyrics were poor.
GuitarBoy666  
9 Jul 2008 20:20 | Quote
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Dragonforce. ewww ew ew ew ew ew
My friend said that they write their songs about video games they played.
EMB5490  
9 Jul 2008 20:22 | Quote
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thts right
ThePusher  
9 Jul 2008 21:49 | Quote
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It appears I've been gone to long in the midnight sea, but my vote is obviously for Megadeth because Metallica are far too popular and Kirk Hammet pisses me off, plus Megadeth started the Gigantour which anihilates man I went and I felt like cumming when it started dude
jarhead666  
12 Jul 2008 17:57 | Quote
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Megadeath is way better of course!!
league  
15 Jul 2008 18:57 | Quote
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Megadeth definetely. Metallica having a video game just makes them less of as Metal band. Megadeths lyrics destroy Metallicas and the complexity yet simplistic form of Mustaines guitar work is few and far between. Anthrax is a good band too.
bivinshenry  
16 Aug 2008 19:55 | Quote
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metallica
baudelaire  
16 Aug 2008 23:24 | Quote
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mustaine isn't a quarter of the guitarist or songwriter that james + kirk are. his songs feel like a bunch of random takes slopped together.

and slipknot is easily the biggest combination of not creative, and popular i have ever seen. they aren't even dedicated to their dumb masks. they're simply awful.
BodomBeachTerror  
16 Aug 2008 23:36 | Quote
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u can respect other ppls tastes in music and other musicians.
dave may not be as good of a song writer as james, but in musical talent he is far ahead of kirk and james.

as for slipknot they are extremely musically underrated
baudelaire  
16 Aug 2008 23:46 | Quote
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you must be kidding me, mustaine doesn't do a single thing better then kirk or james. james is a better soloist then mustaine, and he's the rhythm guitarist.

slipknot... the only thing that could pass as mediocre are the lyrics, sometimes. musically, they're just another damned power chord band. nothing special. completely undeserving of fame, although, they would deserve a decent living playing clubs in some big city. they certainly have no right to be a international act.
BodomBeachTerror  
16 Aug 2008 23:49 | Quote
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listen to Poison was the Cure.. james could never write something that brilliant

lol... then u have never listened to slipknot
baudelaire  
17 Aug 2008 00:03 | Quote
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i used to listen to them... when i was 11.

as for poison was the cure, aside from the fact the intro was choppily connected to the main part of the song, the cool riffing there doesn't qualify as 'brilliant'. it's just lydian scales, with a 7sus4 arpeggio tossed in there. and then repeated over and over. yeah, it's a really cool song. but, yeah, kirk has done some stuff that was far more technical and complex. not that that makes it any better; it doesn't. but musicianshipwise, metallica beats out megadeth any day of the week.
ThePusher  
17 Aug 2008 17:17 | Quote
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Wow, maybe it's just me but I vote we the Megadeth fans boycott baudelaire, I fully agree with BBT Megadeths musicianship just crushes Metallica's I've seen Dave live and he rocks ass, watch that man play Hangar 18 live then tell me James Hetfield is a better soloist, all this bieng said there are hundreds of reasons to love or hate either band, I took Megadeth because in my oppinion they are leagues ahead of Metallica. Now on to the Slipknot issue, I hate NuMetal with a passion however I respect their musical ability, Joey Jordison truly can drum and if you took the time to watch Mick or Jim solo whihc they rarely do in Slipknot you would realize they're more than competent at it, so baudelaire it is my theory that you're young and naive to the ways of musical expression
EMB5490  
17 Aug 2008 17:25 | Quote
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agree with pusher on the rfirst part, better mucisian ship but too heavy
CTown  
17 Aug 2008 21:25 | Quote
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All I really know from Megadeath is "Symphony of Destruction" so went w/ Metallica b/c of personal preference. But what exactly is so bad with the "Black Album"? Cause it brought them to the international foreground and everyone want to think of themselves as fans before they made it big? Ride the Lightning, Master of Puppets, and Kill Em All were all decent, but my favorite is Black. Maybe it's b/c I like it when they slow it down... like in "Nothing Else Matters" But I digress.
baudelaire  
17 Aug 2008 23:15 | Quote
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pusher, we'll just never agree. just leave it at, i think mustaine is a poor songwriter compared to james and kirk, and i think slipknot sucks in every single area. i think drumming is next to irrelevant to a bands skill. i've seen their solos. they feel uninspired and generic. as for not understanding musical expression, fuck off. i don't like bands that play power chords exclusively and don't do anything original, sue me - i 'd rather listen to coltraines India or Impressions.

there's no point in arguing subjective points. it wastes both our time.
ThePusher  
18 Aug 2008 06:49 | Quote
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Well obvs if you're looking for expression you go to Jazz thats why I play Pastorius on bass XD however you are correct we're never gonna see eye to eye, and fyi in your ear about drumming being irelevant to a bands skill, thats just your ignorance and inability to play the instrument resulting in frustration and therefore you're going to call it down, look at great badns like Rush and Dream Theater, certainly Alex Lifeson and John Petrucci are amazing guitarist and John Myung and Geddy Lee are 2 stellar bassists, but the bands would not be the same without Neil Peart and Mike Portnoy, atleast get your fact straight before getting into it with someone who is enlightened to the ways of music and life
ironman91313  
27 Aug 2008 22:08 | Quote
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baudelaire your just wrong.

Mustaine is better then everybody in Metallica.

he prolly can even play drums better than Lars
madman3123  
28 Aug 2008 04:06 | Quote
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well slipknot fucking rocks they are underrated and if you listen to pyschosocial that is skilled and has an awsome solo =D
baudelaire  
28 Aug 2008 07:13 | Quote
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pusher, don't be a fucking moron. drumming is not only the simplest possible instrument, it would be arguable to say its NOT a instrument. it does not have melody or harmony, just rhythm. ever heard of a solo drummer? not only that, but now of days, drummers are USELESS, except for the fact that people like to see a drummer onstage. a world class drum machine is 500 dollars; you couldn't tell the difference between the two acoustically; the machine never fucks up; and you don't need a drummer to write good drum beats. anyone can, (and does) do it. the machine is better, easier to use, cheaper, more reliable, and sounds just as good. drummers are obsolete. they are decoration. and, as a matter of fact, i can play drums better then the old drummer for my band, and i'm a guitarist. see, every REAL instrument requires as much or more rhythm skill then drumming. and if you can smack things good, you can drum. *i* put the drum tracks on the record, the drummer couldn't do it. so we canned him and got a machine, that has done very well for us. and some 19 year old punk with poor english, no musical knowledge and a thumb up his ass isn't enlightened about ANYTHING, much less music and life.

ironman, how do you want to judge guitarists? when it comes down to it, kirk plays faster. and, he can play better slower. and, his solos are actually complex (for metal at least) instead of just being scalar masturbation. what specifically does mustaine have on hammet other then your fandom?
EMB5490  
28 Aug 2008 08:20 | Quote
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are u kidding me baudelaire...drums are fking hard, i cant play those for shit, and i did try for a while. also drums keep tempo, and sure u can use a machine, but ur not gona get energy, volume and any of tht stuff outta a machine
ironman91313  
28 Aug 2008 10:19 | Quote
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@baud

kirk doesnt play faster, and cant write solos.

I mean cmon, he stole Dave's stuff a long time ago. If he was so good why would he need to do that?

oh and i guess your right on the drumming, doesnt look too hard...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmIpuWgt65k
jcb3000  
28 Aug 2008 10:47 | Quote
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wtf! a drum is infact the worlds oldest instrument. and for the drum machine part, they are alot less versatile than a normal drummer. plus you can always say that about the guitar and just slap in on a track and play it back stage. maybe even vocals too and before you know it theres no band.
EMB5490  
28 Aug 2008 11:19 | Quote
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and also i find the bass pedal fking impossible to time. its hard. dont talk about somthing unlesss u no its a fact. like the yankees kill the red sox. phip will get on tht 1 im sure.
Calvin  
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@baudelaire:
"drumming is not only the simplest possible instrument, it would be arguable to say its NOT a instrument. it does not have melody or harmony, just rhythm. "

Depends on how you look at it really. Different kinds of drums and cymbals have different pitches, so drumming obviously does have some melodic characteristics.

"ever heard of a solo drummer? "

So I guess that Neil Peart and Tomas Haake are basically just solo guitarists posing as drummers.=P

"not only that, but now of days, drummers are USELESS, except for the fact that people like to see a drummer onstage."

Yeah,sure, the fact that drum machines can't interact with other instrumentalists during the live set, can't adopt to unpredictable situations, sound unnatural and sure can't improvise, doesn't have anything to do with it of course. Ever seen a jazz band jamming with a drum machine?

"world class drum machine is 500 dollars; you couldn't tell the difference between the two acoustically; the machine never fucks up; ..yada, yada.. the machine is better, easier to use, cheaper, more reliable, and sounds just as good. drummers are obsolete. they are decoration."

top notch professional music and mixing software, that will allow you to compose believable guitar solos by simply using the guitar samples, costs much less. Does that make guitarists even more useless than drummers?

"and you don't need a drummer to write good drum beats. anyone can, (and does) do it...yada, yada..see, every REAL instrument requires as much or more rhythm skill then drumming. and if you can smack things good, you can drum."

Sure, I'd certainly like to see a guitarist write a tastefully done polyrhythmical drum part using ,let's say, 7/8 , 6/8 ,5/16 and 29/32 time signatures. Hell, most guitarists can't even play polyrhythmically, let alone write that kind of stuff for some other instrument.

"and, as a matter of fact, i can play drums better then the old drummer for my band, and i'm a guitarist. "

So you haven't had a chance to play with a good drummer.And? With your ego and attitude we can clearly see why.:P
baudelaire  
28 Aug 2008 15:13 | Quote
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"Depends on how you look at it really. Different kinds of drums and cymbals have different pitches, so drumming obviously does have some melodic characteristics.Good drummers are aware of that and incorporate them in their playing."

everything that vibrates has a pitch, but that doesn't mean it's based on the dodecasection of the octave. it's not 'melodic' it's merely different sounding.

"So I guess that Neil Peart and Tomas Haake are basically just solo guitarists posing as drummers.=P "

neil uses a xylophone as well, a real instrument, and tomas haake, should in my opinion not be able to earn a living drumming solo. i find it dreadfully boring... like a plate with no food. at least neil has the xylophone.

"Yeah,sure, the fact that drum machines can't interact with other instrumentalists during the live set, can't adopt to unpredictable situations, sound unnatural and sure can't improvise, doesn't have anything to do with it of course. Ever seen a jazz band jamming with a drum machine?"

they can interact, in that the musicians can program it to insert certain alternate bars at their wish with a footswitch. and a good one doesn't sound unnatural - i bet you couldn't tell which was a DR880 and which was a real drummer on a record, if they recorded the real one very well. more records then you might imagine were recorded with drum machines - i believe prince used a alesis sr-18 on his first album, it might have been another. drummers don't need to improvise, doing so is as upsettingly stupid as drummers soloing. and a jazz band could use a drum machine if they wished. no, it's not as flexible as a excellent drummer, but it makes up for that in every other area.

"top notch professional music and mixing software, that will allow you to compose believable guitar parts by simply using the guitar samples, costs much less. Does that make guitarists even more useless than drummers?"

no, because in a guitar oriented musical ensemble, they are the centerpiece, and you came to see them. say, a solo singer, could use a guitar backing track, because it's not central. furthermore, the level of knowledge and creativity required to write excellent guitar parts is not even comparable to the smattering of creativity and rhythmic sense it takes to write a good beat.

"Sure, I'd certainly like to see a guitarist write a tastefully done polyrhythmical drum part using ,let's say, 7/8 , 6/8 ,5/16 and 29/32 time signatures. Hell, most guitarists can't even play polyrhythmically, yet alone compose that way on some other instrument."

when i write music, i start with a melody i envision, and then the harmony and rhythm simply require creative use of my training. the time signature serves the melody; with the exception of 29/32, i have written tasteful drum parts for all of those signatures. it's not difficult. i composed a polyrhythmic piece for clarinet, classical guitar and timpanies before for extra credit in class. polyrhythm is by far the EASIEST part of higher level theory to grasp...

"So you haven't had a chance to play with a good drummer.And? With your ego and attitude we can clearly see why.:P"

say what you want about my attitude, i am not very egotistical...
Nightmare  
28 Aug 2008 15:17 | Quote
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both suck!!!
EMB5490  
28 Aug 2008 16:07 | Quote
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"they can interact, in that the musicians can program it to insert certain alternate bars at their wish with a footswitch. and a good one doesn't sound unnatural - i bet you couldn't tell which was a DR880 and which was a real drummer on a record, if they recorded the real one very well. more records then you might imagine were recorded with drum machines - i believe prince used a alesis sr-18 on his first album, it might have been another. drummers don't need to improvise, doing so is as upsettingly stupid as drummers soloing. and a jazz band could use a drum machine if they wished. no, it's not as flexible as a excellent drummer, but it makes up for that in every other area."

can they write music? didnt think so? the difference between a very reaalistic drum machine and a drummer, the drummer has life, dynamics not set to a computers exactness, the diff? one make mistakes and the other doesnt. i can copy rhoads songs play them to a precise measurment, but i will never be rhoads. its the same thing.
baudelaire  
28 Aug 2008 17:10 | Quote
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you don't need a drummer to write drum parts.

good drum machines are most certainly dynamic, for example i can tap "tsh tsh tsh tsh TSSHHH" on my drum machine and it sounds just like someone tapped softly 4 times on a hat and then thwacked it hard. it sounds perfect. it's exact.

it doesn't constantly mooch your drugs, food and alcohol, show up late, get lazy, bitch and moan... etc. being rhoads is a hell of a lot different then having his drummer in a box.
Empirism  
28 Aug 2008 17:26 | Quote
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Maybe you dont need a drummer for drum parts with utilities we have today. Ive made songs with sequencer a long time and with virtual instruments, but everytime I play with my band and our drummer, I remember why does not any utility beat any drummer on inspiration.
And jamming.
league  
28 Aug 2008 17:47 | Quote
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Baudelaire seems like an expert so I'm not going to argue with him about music theory. You've got to agree Dave Mustaines lyrics are better. Megadeth just rocks harder! Baudelaire, I am not being sarcastic but with your musical knowledge I would like to hear you play a Thrash or Metal song.
EMB5490  
28 Aug 2008 18:44 | Quote
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you can think of a drum part but ther will always be somthing missing with a machine, and can a machine write lyrics nd songs? didnt think so. and btw no in terms its not, i can play rhoads parts but i will NEVER sound like him or replace him to his extant same thing for a drum machine.
baudelaire  
28 Aug 2008 19:36 | Quote
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EMB, seriously, are you stupid? drumming is a very simple task. even with complicated jazz rhythms... and i've found the best drumming to be minimalist with great mixing anyways. a proper mix is the difference between dope and nope. who the hell said anything about a drum machine writing lyrics and and songs? being a drummer doesn't mean you can do either. and yes, ozzies drummer could be recorded, and then a machine could record it, and you couldn't tell the difference. unless he did a shitty job drumming, then you'd know it had to be a human.

megadeth vs metallica is opinion. the only real concrete way to judge is with record sales. metallica entertains more people. more people like them. in the only real non subjective way they can be judged, metallica wins.

league, i DO play metal for the fun of it at times. metal is simple. 99% of ALL music is simple. even most classical music is simple. music is a startlingly simple thing once you grasp the knowledge behind it; you can not understand how important creative genius is until you have a great understanding of theory.

"if you are really pushing life to the limits, you will learn how limited life is".

empirism, obviously drummers have a real edge when it comes to jamming and drum writing. just not enough to justify their role. john henry has lost.
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