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crislyn23_nt  
3 Jul 2008 23:16 | Quote
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hey guys, im currently learning the scales and just a quick question. how come pentatonic major on D#/Eb is the same as pentatonic minor on C ? i thought each scale had its especial pattern is unique to them,
Guitarslinger124  
3 Jul 2008 23:22 | Quote
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the minor pentatonic pattern is the same no matter what key you play it in. every scale [regardless of key] has its own pattern. so any natural minor scale will be played using the same pattern no matter what key, just like any Ionian scale will be played the same. the only thing that is specific to a key, is the grouping of notes. any scales in the same key share the same notes. for example: the notes in A Aeolian are: A B C D E F and G, and the notes in C Ionian are: C D E F G A and B. Both of those scales are in the key of C major. however, scale patterns are not key specific, almost every key shares the same scale patterns. same patterns, different notes.
telecrater  
3 Jul 2008 23:31 | Quote
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I don't know what your exact example is correct.

but there is the relative minor. here is kinda how it works

so lets just say your learning the C major scale. the relative minor to the C major is the A minor. what makes it the relative minor is that the A minor has all the same notes as the C major.

if you study all the diffrent modes you see the pattern, or repetition. so lets just say you learned the C major scale you also learned the D dorian, the E Phrygian, F lydian, G Mixolydian, A minor (Aeolian) and B locrian (modes) scales.

But even though the notes are the same they will sound very different in the context of the key. they are transposed by the root note.

crislyn23_nt  
3 Jul 2008 23:35 | Quote
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ah, thats cool !!! so i will be able to play the pentatonic major on D#/Eb on a song thats in the key of C if i want to use a pentatonic minor scale. since pentatonic major on D#/Eb and pentatonic minor on C is the same
Guitarslinger124  
3 Jul 2008 23:40 | Quote
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telecrater says:
I don't know what your exact example is correct.

but there is the relative minor. here is kinda how it works

so lets just say your learning the C major scale. the relative minor to the C major is the A minor. what makes it the relative minor is that the A minor has all the same notes as the C major.


A Aeolian is the relative minor to the C major scale! The C major scale is also called C Ionian just as A aeolian is also known as A natural minor!
Guitarslinger124  
3 Jul 2008 23:41 | Quote
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crislyn23_nt says:
ah, thats cool !!! so i will be able to play the pentatonic major on D#/Eb on a song thats in the key of C if i want to use a pentatonic minor scale. since pentatonic major on D#/Eb and pentatonic minor on C is the same


yep...C minor is the relative minor D# major.
foogered  
4 Jul 2008 05:39 | Quote
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And as Afro corrected me, technically its Eb major. Sure they're enharmonically equivalent, but to me it seems easier to think about it as C and Eb. If you were writing sheet music, and wanted to write in D# major, you would have a helluva lot of sharps (6 and one double sharp).
Afro_Raven  
4 Jul 2008 05:42 | Quote
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Everything above is completely true, but one tiny little thing that newbies always confuse (including me) is the names of scales. There is no such thing as the D# major scale (contrary to what Guitar Pro may say), it is always called Eb major. Not trying to steal your thunder, but it's easier if you get that into your head early on.

Afro


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