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soy.el.che  
29 Apr 2008 22:24 | Quote
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i recently heard there were kind of rules or tips for that... anyone??
Skold  
29 Apr 2008 23:51 | Quote
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The only rule of songwriting is this: There are no rules.
TheUndying  
30 Apr 2008 13:37 | Quote
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Mkae sure it doesn't sounds contrived...like you made a up a line just to ryhe with another one...And something that alot of people over look that can really add to lyrics is alliterations where you use 2 (or more) words that start with the same sound

Silence serves as shelter
for a heart the hopes for home
as chaos clammors in the night you'll cry to be alone

Silence Serves shelter(alliteration)
heart hopes homes(alliteration)
chaos, clammors, cry, (alliteratio)

Thats part of one of my songs the 3rd line doesn't quite make sense with out the rest of the song but i don't want anyone to steal my work as this forum is open to public veiwing...
NIGHTHAWK  
2 May 2008 13:37 | Quote
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No rules. I think lyrics speak to who you are, just like the style of guitar you like to play.
telecrater  
3 May 2008 07:07 | Quote
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I have found when i try and write lyrics that the rhyming can be too restrictive. but the truth of the matter is any writer be it romance novels, poems, or news articles; they write, re-write, re-write, re-write, re-write, re-write, re-write, re-write, re-write, re-write, re-write, re-write, re-write, re-write, re-write, re-write, re-write, and then they might be done.

I have and idea and come up with lyrics to it and sometimes over the course of the song it takes a completely new direction form the original idea.
telecrater  
3 May 2008 07:14 | Quote
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You wall don't want to be too cheesy like Adam Sandler was in Happy Gilmore. "go to the bay maybe lay in the hay, well i just may...."
Skold  
3 May 2008 12:45 | Quote
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@TELE

What do you say?
bobby23jones  
20 May 2008 11:52 | Quote
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A "rule" that you'll often see is that verse rhymes are ABAB, and chorus rhymes are AABB. Although a very large amount of lyrics follow this pattern, it's hardly a set rule.
Doz  
20 May 2008 18:13 | Quote
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There aren't as such, but before people burst in and feel good about themselves by telling you that - just remember that their are guidelines to make lyrics not sound like trash.

Probably a good idea to study metaphors, descriptive language, near rhymes and song structure.
EMB5490  
20 May 2008 20:37 | Quote
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idk whats so hard about it, just take the dragonforce methods to writing music:
1)there is NEVER an innapropiate time for a solo, in the middle of chorus, verse, end of song, piano solo, anytime.
2)there is a max of THREE different chords played, over 3 is just too complicated
3)lyrics-hah! w/e i think in the shower!
4)scales-scales...hmm (searchs mind)...o ye scales! scales? lol no scales
5)keys-well we use the key of g,c,j,h,f,x,and,a lol
6)if it doesnt sound like a video game wtf is it doing here?
7)move fingers in a up an down motion as fast as possible, while strumming away
8)must have 3 plus guitars! i mean if i make a mistake, who will cover for me lol
9)when a solo gets shot to hell live, try and look comfuzed, like u dont know whats going on, or yell into the mic "wer having some tequinical issues" and quickly blame the guy next to u
10)"it sounds like muck, mud, all mushed together, lke thers no melody" good! the key to good music is to make yourself comfuzed at all times!

i would suggest not doing tht. i think it matters what music ur writing, skynyrd has verses in sections, say one line, short pause, another, short pause, maybe a riff inbetween, some mini solos, all mterrs what u play, but dont listen 2 me, idk, just throwing in my ingorance a wild yet educated guess.
telecrater  
20 May 2008 21:05 | Quote
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Doz says:
Probably a good idea to study metaphors, descriptive language, near rhymes and song structure.


Gez Doz maybe I should have paid more attention in English class?

But your right I think that's good advice. I also think that there should be some mystery in your message. If you have all you have to say done by the end of the 1st chorus there is no reason a listener to stick around for the rest of the song.
bobby23jones  
20 May 2008 21:30 | Quote
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Doz says:
Probably a good idea to study metaphors, descriptive language, near rhymes and song structure.


Most likely the best possible advice.
BodomBeachTerror  
27 May 2008 22:25 | Quote
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EMB5490 says:
1)there is NEVER an innapropiate time for a solo, in the middle of chorus, verse, end of song, piano solo, anytime.


actually i like that =p

or you can do what some bands do and just say the f word between every 2 words.. then no one will notice that ur lyrics suck
Skold  
28 May 2008 04:45 | Quote
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Yup, EMB has it right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv0_bFpeLI8

In that song, the solo comes like right after the first chorus.
TheUndying  
28 May 2008 15:35 | Quote
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I tka e you dan't care for dragin force EMB?
EMB5490  
28 May 2008 15:56 | Quote
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no i dont.
joe  
28 May 2008 16:03 | Quote
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@ EMB. LOL funniest thing ive read in a while.

and yeah i agree with doz.

Doz says:
Probably a good idea to study metaphors, descriptive language, near rhymes and song structure.
Skold  
28 May 2008 16:06 | Quote
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Metaphors are a great tool in songwriting, just don't use them in every damn line. Sometimes, the best lyrics are the most straightforward.
Doz  
28 May 2008 20:50 | Quote
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I know I already mentioned it, but just today I really discovered my love for near rhymes (which are rhymes that are exact or perfect)... like some singers could sing the last syallables of the words fretboard and control the same way. Another example could be hate and game - two words with a similar sound in general and require a similar mouth movement.

Something people should give some thought...
Veqq  
28 May 2008 22:50 | Quote
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My favorite kinds of Lyrics are the ones where the lines all have the first letters of each word being the same. And it's really cool when they have the same vowels in the same places on the ending words...

Exodus did this on Fabulous disaster really well...
soy.el.che  
30 May 2008 15:34 | Quote
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finnally got some inspiration... heres something i wrote:


im lookin thru the window gazing to the floor
theres nothing i cant see but theres nothin i can touch
for buddas sake, i say wake up
im such an idiot i could have tried the door

yeahh
yeahhh
well im ok
yeah im ok
fooled myself
but i dont know
betcha im ugly
theres nothin wrong
youre too nasty
but i wont say it in your face
the window was too high
as i was too
i never said i could fly
but how bout you

seeing the past waking up
jumping once flyimg twice

seeing the past waking up
jumping once flyimg twice

seeing you waking up
loving none its just so wrong

this is what ive got till now... anny suggestions??
BodomBeachTerror  
30 May 2008 15:47 | Quote
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thats really good!

for the sake of budda? ive never heard that b4 =p
Skold  
30 May 2008 16:13 | Quote
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Sounds pretty cool, soy. Not exactly my taste, but good nonetheless.

"I'm such an idiot - I could have tried the door" line was the bollocks, man.
Doz  
31 May 2008 10:34 | Quote
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That first section is really good. Undecided about the rest at the moment. Bit too repetative for my taste maybe.
Skold  
31 May 2008 10:38 | Quote
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Yeah. But, as I've said to GB, some are guitarists, and some are writers. I mean, I can play simple little solos (in all honesty, my solos should be called riffs), but I'm nowhere near as good as GB at it. My strengths are mainly in my writing. My guitar just adds an accent to it, yer know>


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